Ange departs

[Spoonman]

But have we not just removed a guy who has instilled a true will to win a group of players ?
No, the players have proved again and again that losing is ok if it's the Ange way.

Yeah, the 'will to win' thing only seemed to be effective under a certain set of circumstances. Those being;

Poor to average opposition.
Deploying abysmal anti-football tactics.
Some reliance on lady luck.

Losing was pretty much normalised in all other scenarios.

Not really a sustainable blueprint for moving forwards.

 

[DubSpur]

It was said to death though after the EL win that Levy was now in an impossible situation. I'm not supportive of this decision and I will now be firmly in the Levy out camp going forwards, but the season was full of such massive contradictions that judging it was hard.

What should have happened and hasn't is that emotion, the life blood of football, should have been involved in making the decision. 100% involved. Because as a fan of the club he Levy should still be on cloud nine like the rest of us. This good will should have then enabled us to buy players across the summer that Ange wanted, in order to mount a campaign that would be able to handle 2 major competitions, and an injury rota aligned with the well documented demands modern players have to endure.

Now he has fan and player revolts on his hands, his already low popularity in the gutter and he's somehow managed to ruin the afterglow of a major European triumph for a club that doesn't get them very often.

This is the culmination of Levy's Tottenham. It's a microcosm of his stewardship, and it will define him. People now won't remember Ange winning us the pot, they will remember us being Spurs-y and sacking the guy who did it a fortnight later.


Levy out.

Emotion around football is for the fans. Owners, mangers, etc should be putting emotion aside when making decisions. They should be making their decisions based only on facts and logic.

Where's the players revolt? Most likely in your head. They've all been through multiple managers and will get on with it like every footballer does. The fans are split, no matter what the decision he was going to be the pantomine villain for a section of them. You just need to read through this thread to see that.

It won't define Levy's stewardship, it'll be forgotten about once the new season starts.

 

[harr1984]

Emotion around football is for the fans. Owners, mangers, etc should be putting emotion aside when making decisions. They should be making their decisions based only on facts and logic.

Where's the players revolt? Most likely in your head. They've all been through multiple managers and will get on with it like every footballer does. The fans are split, no matter what the decision he was going to be the pantomine villain for a section of them. You just need to read through this thread to see that.

It won't define Levy's stewardship, it'll be forgotten about once the new season starts.

The player revolt thing was being reported in the Telegraph to be fair....

 

[Robspur12]

And that’s the point here. People saying that it’s an idiotic decision or has no logic behind it have their heads in the sand as much as people who would have said “keeping him was a stupid decision. He finished 17th FFS. Undoubtedly should have been sacked.”

It’s a very, very difficult situation where, as the decision maker, you’re gonna get criticism either way.

Anyone who views this in the above extremes clearly isn’t trying hard enough to see the whole situation for what it is.

In fairness, I think most people are speaking out of emotion ATM. I mean I have been Ange out since the start of the year but even then I feel sad for him. You could not help but be moved and carried by the emotion around the parade.

Even with that said, I think this is a courageous move by the board and one, in the cold light of day I support. But he still goes with my thanks.

 

[Gazza]

On what

I think people will be surprised. I think any competent manager will have this squad top 4 almost instantly

In what world ?

Liverpool, Emirates Marketing Project, Arsenal, Saudi Sportswashing Machine and I would argue Aston Villa are more competent than us with player and manager personnel

 

[Legohamster]

The player revolt thing was being reported in the Telegraph to be fair....

Told all year that the players are not good enough by some (not aimed at yourself) now the same people are concerned about them leaving?

I don't believe those who want to leave didnt want to before, how many do you think will follow him to his next job?

Romero has been named, not exactly been Mr Loyal this season with his comments?

 

[monkeybarry]

Frank's approach is dynamic, and in game he responds to the direction of travel, based on the score and the opposition tactics. Compared to the pretty intransient "it's who we are" football of season 1, it should be an improvement and we should in theory win more games from winning positions.

My issue is that he's not a guy who has managed a team that's got Europe and domestic competition to handle. Which is explicitly stated as being a requirement of the board in Ange's sacking statement.

We need someone who plays expansive football with the ability to change a game to meet the immediate demands. I'm pro Ange but recognise that EL aside this season, as well as losing our identity (Ange ball) we also rarely looked capable of either closing out a game or coming from behind.

I put that down to squad injuries and focus rather than the ability of the manager, but the board has specifically cited it as a requirement and are supposedly counting someone who has never been able to demonstrate he can do that.

He will have had European and Lge football to juggle at Brondby, albeit a very different expectation

 

[Gazza]

How about the “fans” stand up for the club instead of wanting us to lose?

Err I’m not having him gesticulated to the crowd for them not wanting arsenal to win the league when Ange didn’t do the job once in trying to stop them at that season.

Nor am I having him trying to weasel his way out of cupping his ears to the spurs fans away.

 

[harr1984]

Told all year that the players are not good enough by some (not aimed at yourself) now the same people are concerned about them leaving?

I don't believe those who want to leave didnt want to before, how many do you think will follow him to his next job?

Romero has been named, not exactly been Mr Loyal this season with his comments?

Yeah I'm not that concerned either way, I still think there's a lot of work that needs to be done with our squad.

Not convinced that there is such a revolt anyway, the media like to dramatise things. I often recall these type of things said, but I never recall some sort of mass walkout of players at a club....

 

[Glenda's Legs]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1931238779781542283

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

The player revolt thing was being reported in the Telegraph to be fair....

Your not allowed to reference the Telegraph, I have made that mistake in the politics thread a few times. The far left don't like it.

 

[Danishfurniturelover]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1931238779781542283

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Considering how awful Son was last season I think that can be classed as daming but probably not in the way some feel.

 

[DubSpur]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1931238779781542283

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Made him a better player??? A total lack of self awarness if he really believes that...

 

[kb 1984]

Yeah I'm not that concerned either way, I still think there's a lot of work that needs to be done with our squad.

Not convinced that there is such a revolt anyway, the media like to dramatise things. I often recall these type of things said, but I never recall some sort of mass walkout of players at a club....

I believe some players maybe upset like some fans. I just can't see players breaking their contracts that equals no pay.

 

[Legohamster]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1931238779781542283

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He had me till the "Made me a better player"

 

[Legohamster]

Yeah I'm not that concerned either way, I still think there's a lot of work that needs to be done with our squad.

Not convinced that there is such a revolt anyway, the media like to dramatise things. I often recall these type of things said, but I never recall some sort of mass walkout of players at a club....

I imagine the truth is some of the players are sad to see him go, but realise that aspects of last season were not good enough so understand the call

 

[johnola]

On what

In what world ?

Liverpool, Emirates Marketing Project, Arsenal, Saudi Sportswashing Machine and I would argue Aston Villa are more competent than us with player and manager personnel

And that’s ignoring Chelsea and United.

 

[glasgowspur]

I was a little harsh on the Lge Cup.

It's actually the perfect exemplar for Ange:
Struggled to beat Coventry, but did
Beat Emirates Marketing Project - great result
4-3 Vs Man U, having been 3-0 up
Swatted away like fly by Liverpool

Yes, we did reach the semis.
Nothing in that run points to reasons for Ange not to go.
You have to take a holistic view:
One great Lge Cup result.
Non existent FA cup campaign
EPL, 11 wins, 5 draws, 22 defeats - that's a 58% LOSE percentage! 29% win percentage.

How anyone can possibly think winning one game in every four keeps him in a job is beyond me.
But losing almost two out of every three.....
..... ironically, the acceptance of that is exactly the kind of Spurs attitude Ange was trying to change.

I never said he deserves to keep his job, I'm fine with him leaving.
But the fact, and it is a fact, is that we performed at to par in the league Cup.
There's plenty to criticise him for, there's several reasons he has lost his job, our performance in the league Cup is not one of them.

 

[glasgowspur]

He has a club with the 2nd lowest wage bill in the league consistently outperforming it's level. There's definite logic for him doing well here based on having proven himself able to do that. Having us just at our level has us 5th-6th, massively outperforming that and well you you can fill in the blanks

Two seasons, is that correct, two seasons in the PL, hardly consistently.
When you look at the ridiculous wages being paid by some of the clubs to very average players I don't think that is a great measure either. Especially when one of the critisms thrown at us is our low wage levels in comparison to our "peers".

 

[Finney Is Back]

Agreed, and he essentially has (apparently) said that. The whole thing is now going to be a mess. We committed to a structure two years ago, and now we're blowing it up. I personally agree with you re: Lange and don't understand how he can actually survive as essentially a lackey (albeit let's be fair, we don't know what his role will be)...

Surely we all know by now that Levy loves a lackey?

When managers demand too much of the board they go. Poch was the perfect manager for Levy in that sense, though telling he was dismissed as soon as he started to demand ‘expensive new furniture for the nice new house’.

I suspect Frank won’t be particularly demanding of the board which makes him their number 1 candidate even though he has an underwhelming record and certainly not one that would see a true big club appoint him.