Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Could be them wearing blades instead of studs? The photo of Odobert there looks like his boot has got stuck in the turf when it should have slipped away a bit
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Could be them wearing blades instead of studs? The photo of Odobert there looks like his boot has got stuck in the turf when it should have slipped away a bit
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
There is the same issue elsewhere. There's been 20 years academic research on how bad they are. Ferguson called for them to be banned back in 2005 because the number of ACLs they were causing
Caring about the ‘foot’ in ‘football’ – how can England avoid injury scares?
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Bullet
Jimmy Cantrell
He said "Prolonged exposure to hard playing surfaces" i.e. the training ground being too firm, seems the most likely source of the problems.
ricky2tricky4city
Barry Daines
Can someone do a list of all our injured players and their expected return dates?
......so we can feed it into the....'how far are we in the brick' machine. Thanks in advance...I'm hitting the hay. Sweet dreams Thomas.
......so we can feed it into the....'how far are we in the brick' machine. Thanks in advance...I'm hitting the hay. Sweet dreams Thomas.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Everyone bar Tel and Gray. Pre-season.
Mulletperm
Jermaine Jenas
Would be interesting to see how many of our injuries have occurred while playing at our place rather than away.
thfcsteff
Ralph Coates
The training ground pitches were in excellent shape last I knew.
Robbo
Jack Jull
Opposition players spend 90 minutes on that surface, though - ours train and play there regularly. It's the only correlation I can think of. The number of ACL injuries we suffer, compared to everyone else, is such an anamoly there has to be an underlying factor. Not to mention all the other injuries. Something's not right (and it's not a curse, although I do wonder sometimes).
I did ask and was answered a bit further back - its only a couple at home.
Bullet
Jimmy Cantrell
That's what I mean, that could be the problem. The pitches are so perfect and hard wearing and immune from wear and tear; I suspect a training ground should be a little softer so that the joints and ligaments are getting a slightly cushioned impact on every stride during training, rather than prolonged hard impacts.
We have 17 pitches or whatever, so if a pitch is a bit softer and cuts up a bit we can rotate round the other pitches easily while it recovers.
thfcsteff
Ralph Coates
I have been on both them and the stadium pitch. I don't think the training ground pitches are an issue, albeit I appreciate the point you're looking to raise. Last time I went (and it has been about a year or so) the stadium and training pitches were calibrated to perform the same way. I think far closer to the issue is a continually not-amazing medical and the lack of trust. I think several players take second opinions at this point.
Robbo
Jack Jull
The medical team is the other factor that could have had an impact on us having more ACL injuries than all the other PL teams combined, I guess.
My uninformed guess is it's because of a combination of inept medical staff, hard pitches, an intense playing style (last two seasons) and a generally big workload on players.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Maybe the other injuries, but not the ACLs. ACLs arent caused by anything long term. They are when your studs get caught in the turf or when you land badly from an aerial challenge. The only contributing factors (apart from bad luck) will be stud choices and maybe the plastic netting interwoven in the pitch
Robbo
Jack Jull
I think it's foolish to disregard it completely, and I certainly hope the club doesn't.
I've tried to read up, and found research that indicates that high training volume and insufficient recovery, combined with hard surfaces, can increase the risk of ACL injuries. The hardness of the pitch will also affect how players move and land in situations that are linked to ACL injuries, according to another study.
I'll happily hold my hand up and say that this could be a nonsense theory, but there's got to be more to it than just a coincidence that we have had so many ACL injuries compared to other clubs who play in the same competitions as we do.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
I dont see it myself. Ive got quite a lot of personal experience with this and have spent plenty of time speaking with orthopedics about them. It's an impact/trauma injury. It would be like blaming a broken leg on extended periods of playing on too hard pitches.
It could definitely be causing other injuries though. Ive had chronic tendonistus in my lower quads from too hard pitches and that's becoming much more widespread (due to increased switching to plastic pitches) according to physios
Bullet
Jimmy Cantrell
I believe the membership of our much maligned medical team has changed multiple times over the last 5 years.
I also believe our medical team and facilities is far better than many other smaller Prem teams that have 3 physios and fat Bob with the cold bucket of water.
So I doubt it is the fault of our medical team. Would we swap medical teams with the bottom half of the Prem?
I am hypothesising that our pitch and training pitches are harder and/or have a more plastic woven into them, thus studs get caught and the torque force is taken by the ACL rather than the pitch giving way.
Note we had a Desso pitch (since rebranded as GrassMaster) as do LOADS of other clubs like Anfield, so other teams might have identical pitches at the ground and at the training ground, so I am probably wrong to say there is something unique about our setup.
en.wikipedia.org
I also believe our medical team and facilities is far better than many other smaller Prem teams that have 3 physios and fat Bob with the cold bucket of water.
So I doubt it is the fault of our medical team. Would we swap medical teams with the bottom half of the Prem?
I am hypothesising that our pitch and training pitches are harder and/or have a more plastic woven into them, thus studs get caught and the torque force is taken by the ACL rather than the pitch giving way.
Note we had a Desso pitch (since rebranded as GrassMaster) as do LOADS of other clubs like Anfield, so other teams might have identical pitches at the ground and at the training ground, so I am probably wrong to say there is something unique about our setup.
GrassMaster - Wikipedia
- 100% Recyclable System: In collaboration with specialists, the turf used at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium is replaced and the old turf is transported back to be "repurposed." The old hybrid turf is shredded, screened, and washed to be reused, making it a sustainable, closed-loop system.
- Specialized Turf Growth: The hybrid turf, which consists of natural grass mixed with artificial fibers (PlayMaster system), is grown by professional turf farms (such as Tillers Turf) and installed every summer.
- Internal Recycling & Repurposing: Rather than selling old turf to other clubs, Tottenham focuses on sustainability, with old turf and sand being cleaned and returned for future use, setting an industry benchmark for environmentally friendly pitch technology.