DHSF
Les Ferdinand
Thats the thing. The police are corrupt over there. fudging stuck in the old ages. And you have Herbie talking so much about the racists here when in actual fact its all blown out of proportion in comparison to Italy and the like.
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10 spurs fans stabbed by masked gang
- Thread starter Howard Webb
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Thats the thing. The police are corrupt over there. fudging stuck in the old ages. And you have Herbie talking so much about the racists here when in actual fact its all blown out of proportion in comparison to Italy and the like.
Robbo
Paul Walsh
Tottenham fans injured in clashes in Rome
A Tottenham Hotspur supporter has been seriously injured and several hurt in clashes with rival fans in Rome.
Spurs are due to play Lazio in the Italian capital later in a Europa League match, and hundreds of their fans are in the city.
The Spurs fan was stabbed at the Drunken Ship bar in the Campo de' Fiori district and is understood to have suffered a serious injury to an artery.
Lazio's "Ultra" hooligan supporters have associations with fascism.
Tottenham have traditionally drawn support from the Jewish community and some Spurs fans refer to themselves as the "Yid Army". Peter Herbert, chairman of the Society of Black Lawyers, recently threatened to report them to the police.
The Italian newspaper Corriere Della Sera said at least seven Spurs fans, aged between 20 and 60, had been injured and taken to San Camillo Hospital, Holy Spirit Hospital and Fatebenefratelli. Rome police said five were British, one was from California and one from Bangladesh.
La Repubblica reported "urban warfare" broke out at the bar, with up to 100 "Ultras" attacking Spurs fans.
It said Lazio fans were armed with knives, baseball bats, and knuckle dusters.
The owner of the bar, Mario Manzi, told the BBC: "At 1am there were around 30 English fans here, plus some American students, and some Italians.
"At some point, from around the corner, some 40 guys, all wearing helmets, faces covered with scarves, came here, destroyed that window, and came in.
"The English people hid behind here, and everything was destroyed. There were rocks, iron bars, everything."
He said: "The English fans were very calm, they weren't even drunk, then these men with heads covered came barging in throwing cobblestones. They had clubs and metal rods. It lasted about 20 minutes."
The BBC's Rome correspondent, Alan Johnston, said the bar was wrecked and five people were arrested.
All of them were Italians who the police believe to be Lazio fans.
Rome police said the most seriously injured man was a 25-year-old who was being treated at San Camillo Hospital.
The spokesman said: "A group of about 40 or 50 people in motorcycle helmets or with their faces covered were armed and attacked the group of English football fans drinking in Campo de' Fiori square."
A spokesman for the Foreign and Commonwealth Office said it was investigating and would provide consular assistance.
Spurs and Lazio played out a goalless draw in September in a game which was marred by racist chanting by some Lazio fans.
Tottenham defender Steven Caulker and his manager Andre Villas-Boas, speaking before the clashes, both voiced their hope that Thursday's game would not be overshadowed by by monkey chants.
Caulker said: "I'm not worried about the atmosphere - I hope football does the talking. Italy is a great footballing country. Hopefully that will be the talking point."
Villas-Boas agreed but said he felt the £32,500 fine imposed on Lazio for the chanting at White Hart Lane in September may not be a deterrent.
Lazio was the favourite club of the fascist leader Benito Mussolini and in the past has attracted bad publicity. In 2005 Paolo Di Canio, then a Lazio player, was criticised for repeatedly making a fascist salute.
Di Canio, who is now manager of Swindon Town, met Italian survivors of the Holocaust the following year and said: "Racism is a terrible thing and violence never solved anything".
A Tottenham Hotspur supporter has been seriously injured and several hurt in clashes with rival fans in Rome.
Spurs are due to play Lazio in the Italian capital later in a Europa League match, and hundreds of their fans are in the city.
The Spurs fan was stabbed at the Drunken Ship bar in the Campo de' Fiori district and is understood to have suffered a serious injury to an artery.
Lazio's "Ultra" hooligan supporters have associations with fascism.
Tottenham have traditionally drawn support from the Jewish community and some Spurs fans refer to themselves as the "Yid Army". Peter Herbert, chairman of the Society of Black Lawyers, recently threatened to report them to the police.
The Italian newspaper Corriere Della Sera said at least seven Spurs fans, aged between 20 and 60, had been injured and taken to San Camillo Hospital, Holy Spirit Hospital and Fatebenefratelli. Rome police said five were British, one was from California and one from Bangladesh.
La Repubblica reported "urban warfare" broke out at the bar, with up to 100 "Ultras" attacking Spurs fans.
It said Lazio fans were armed with knives, baseball bats, and knuckle dusters.
The owner of the bar, Mario Manzi, told the BBC: "At 1am there were around 30 English fans here, plus some American students, and some Italians.
"At some point, from around the corner, some 40 guys, all wearing helmets, faces covered with scarves, came here, destroyed that window, and came in.
"The English people hid behind here, and everything was destroyed. There were rocks, iron bars, everything."
He said: "The English fans were very calm, they weren't even drunk, then these men with heads covered came barging in throwing cobblestones. They had clubs and metal rods. It lasted about 20 minutes."
The BBC's Rome correspondent, Alan Johnston, said the bar was wrecked and five people were arrested.
All of them were Italians who the police believe to be Lazio fans.
Rome police said the most seriously injured man was a 25-year-old who was being treated at San Camillo Hospital.
The spokesman said: "A group of about 40 or 50 people in motorcycle helmets or with their faces covered were armed and attacked the group of English football fans drinking in Campo de' Fiori square."
A spokesman for the Foreign and Commonwealth Office said it was investigating and would provide consular assistance.
Spurs and Lazio played out a goalless draw in September in a game which was marred by racist chanting by some Lazio fans.
Tottenham defender Steven Caulker and his manager Andre Villas-Boas, speaking before the clashes, both voiced their hope that Thursday's game would not be overshadowed by by monkey chants.
Caulker said: "I'm not worried about the atmosphere - I hope football does the talking. Italy is a great footballing country. Hopefully that will be the talking point."
Villas-Boas agreed but said he felt the £32,500 fine imposed on Lazio for the chanting at White Hart Lane in September may not be a deterrent.
Lazio was the favourite club of the fascist leader Benito Mussolini and in the past has attracted bad publicity. In 2005 Paolo Di Canio, then a Lazio player, was criticised for repeatedly making a fascist salute.
Di Canio, who is now manager of Swindon Town, met Italian survivors of the Holocaust the following year and said: "Racism is a terrible thing and violence never solved anything".
Park Lane James
Andy Sinton
We were in the pub down the square that was attacked last night. Injured were coming to our bar for refuge, none of us were hurt luckily!
Hopfully the police step up the security tonight. Up the Spurs
Hopfully the police step up the security tonight. Up the Spurs
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
Seconded. Fascist B*st*rds. Can UEFA do something about this if it happens outside the ground? really puts that ridculous furore over the term "Yid Army" into perspective.
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
Good to hear you guys aren't hurt. Stay safe. COYS.
AuroRaman
Chris Armstrong
It probably gives UEFA a ready-made excuse not to do anything about it.
Interesting how these double-hard Ultras never seem too bothered about a barney when they're on our shores.
markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
The police who dont give a flying fudge as its English people
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
Italy is one of the biggest brickholes in Europe.
This is ultimately the result of Berlusconi being in control of the country for decades relying on the votes of the football going public. He renamed his party "Forza Italia" ffs.
There has never been any polical will to clamp down upon hooliganism in Italy.
The ultras have turned into money making gangs with links to corrupt police and eastern european gangs.
They have absolutely nothing to do with supporting their club any more. Bari Ultras for instance organised that Bari would throw some game so they could win huge bets on them losing - http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/three-ultra-bosses-arrested-match-110823928.html
This is ultimately the result of Berlusconi being in control of the country for decades relying on the votes of the football going public. He renamed his party "Forza Italia" ffs.
There has never been any polical will to clamp down upon hooliganism in Italy.
The ultras have turned into money making gangs with links to corrupt police and eastern european gangs.
They have absolutely nothing to do with supporting their club any more. Bari Ultras for instance organised that Bari would throw some game so they could win huge bets on them losing - http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/three-ultra-bosses-arrested-match-110823928.html
DubaiSpur
Ian Walker
There will be words, and inaction. Probably a puny UEFA fine again.
Meanwhile, an undetermined number of innocent Spurs fans have been injured, some of them seriously, by these vile pieces of filth.
All I can hope is that they get well soon. And for anyone still in Italy today,please take care of yourselves.
The police, and the Italians, certainly won't.
Meanwhile, an undetermined number of innocent Spurs fans have been injured, some of them seriously, by these vile pieces of filth.
All I can hope is that they get well soon. And for anyone still in Italy today,please take care of yourselves.
The police, and the Italians, certainly won't.
Dicko
Paul Stalteri
I never understood why clubs just get fined for it's supporters behaviour.. if they actually wanted to improve fan behaviour they should just ban home support for a game(s). The club would probably try and take action after they realise the brickload of revenue they will lose out on and fans would be far likely to improve their behaviour once they all start getting tinkled off from missing games.
I don't know if there are any stats out there but home teams playing behind closed doors must surely have worse results too?
I don't know if there are any stats out there but home teams playing behind closed doors must surely have worse results too?
Park Lane James
Andy Sinton
The police should get done for negligence. They were nowhere to be seen around the square last night. Arseholes the lot of them
DHSF
Les Ferdinand
Negligence is the failure to exercise due care. The police didnt fail to exercise due care - they KNOWINGLY failed to exercise it. Theyre all in fudgein cahoots. I bet the majority of th ecoppers are Lazio fans anyways
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
If this had happened in london we would be kicked out. I loved rome when i went but seriously i in some ways really hate europe and how the is one rule for them and one rule for us.
Anyone know if those attacked were 'lads' out there looking for it or just regular fans?
How many have we taken out there?
Typical Italian cowards. Turning up and having a row with fists is one thing but wearing helmets and brandishing knives, bats etc is cowardly in the extreme
How many have we taken out there?
Typical Italian cowards. Turning up and having a row with fists is one thing but wearing helmets and brandishing knives, bats etc is cowardly in the extreme
Midfield Maestro
Gheorge Popescu
fully agree, and as DHSF pointed out, the police are probably Lazio fans and don't give a fudge, always brick happening when English clubs go to Rome.
just really hope the injured get well soon..