Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
It would be better if he stayed in England. Veliz loaned to Iberia and that was effectively the end of him. We need to toughen Souza to the cold and rain.
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Souza
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It would be better if he stayed in England. Veliz loaned to Iberia and that was effectively the end of him. We need to toughen Souza to the cold and rain.
robp135
Gudni Bergsson
Stoke City then.
Ace Face
Richard Gough
Plus the local language would be easier for a Brazilian to assimilate to.Rains more in Lisbon than half of the UK
Bit warmer though
But agree I would like to develop him further as was impressed with the small amount of gametime he was given. Definitely a player there.
I once worked with a Brazilian and a Portuguese and they said it was easier to converse between them in English.
Ace Face
Richard Gough
Really? I would've thought it would be like real Spanish and Mexican Spanish...interesting.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
I'm not sure that's true. The main difference is Brazilians pronounce the vowels at ends of words whilst the Portuguese don't. The difference is maybe similar to Victorian English (Portugese) vs modern American (Brazilian). Young Portuguese also now adopt Brazilian habits, as its seen as much less stuffy
Well it is true in that that was what they said.
No reason for me to make up an imaginary conversation.
ricky2tricky4city
Les Howe
Tim Vickery says the same....a reliable witness I'd say.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
I appreciate that. I just find it hard to comprehend. I have studied the language, including both variations. They are obviously written identically. And the pronunciation differences are like this:
Boa tarde (good afternoon). Pronounced 'boa tard' in Portuguese, but 'boa tard-ay' in Brazilian
Bom dia (good morning). Pronounced 'bon-dee-ah' in Portuguese, but 'bon-jee-ah' in Brazilian
And they are some of the more significant differences. So it's hardly incomprehensible.
Are you sure it wasn't a joke? Like some from London going - blimey, try going to Glasgow, you might as well speak Chinese for all you'll understand them
Bishop
Paul Walsh
Brazilian Portuguese is heavily influenced by the varieties of South American Spanish so they pronounce their vowels very differently. I've not really seen someone say they struggled to understand as much what was suggested but the sound is very different.
Edit. A Brazilian will have difficulty understand a mainland Portuguese speaker, but a Portuguese speaker will generally understand a Brazilian.
MartyFunkhouser
Tony Galvin
Point is he played 4 times when Udogie was injured as a young lad coming into the league. Udogie was back on the bench for Forest when MVDV started, then Udogie played for the remainder of season.
He is a young players for the future who came into games early because of injuries, not sure he is a pointless signing
Bishop
Paul Walsh
Frustratingly he looks super talented. I'm obviously not so sure of his positioning or real defensive traits but on the ball he immediately looked one of our most comfortable and suitable players.
I've said before I would loved to have been really brave and gone into this season with him being in serious contention.
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Robspur12
Johnny Morrison
That's because they were both born in Brixton...