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The 'If You Still Need to Purge Yourself Of Ange' Thread

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Some of the people posting in the last few days are making a strong stick for their back. I wonder what they would do if Frank can't better Ange's time at the club i.e., a trophy.

And yes Ange had a stupid period at Forest which from day -1, I personally felt he should have stayed away from there.
 
Baleforce said:
That 5th place wasn’t a decent achievement in the context of where we were after 10 games, it was actually a disaster not to convert that into CL qualification.

The PPG went through the floor.
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Stop it. We were all here. We all understood why we finished 5th that season.
 
afsoc4life said:
Some of the people posting in the last few days are making a strong stick for their back. I wonder what they would do if Frank can't better Ange's time at the club i.e., a trophy.

And yes Ange had a stupid period at Forest which from day -1, I personally felt he should have stayed away from there.
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Ange got sacked because we put up the worst league performance in our history with no sign of being able to improve - if Frank doesn't better that then he will rightly be sacked as well, cup trophy or no cup trophy and I don't think anyone would argue against it.

You are coming at this from a strange angle imv - id like to think most people support the club, not individual managers- why would anyone be making a rod for their own back with that in mind? People support the manager if they think they are doing a good job or show signs that they are on the right path - if they don't think the manager is the right man for the job then they don't- it's pretty simple
 
afsoc4life said:
Some of the people posting in the last few days are making a strong stick for their back. I wonder what they would do if Frank can't better Ange's time at the club i.e., a trophy.

And yes Ange had a stupid period at Forest which from day -1, I personally felt he should have stayed away from there.
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Credit to Ange for the Europa. It was a great achievement and no one can ever take it away from him and people shouldn’t try to devalue it.

But reigns shouldn’t be judged solely by a trophy. It’s more than that. Harry Redknapp and Poch were much better managers for this club than Ange, Ramos or Graham IMO. It’s not even close for me.
 
billyiddo said:
Ange got sacked because we put up the worst league performance in our history with no sign of being able to improve - if Frank doesn't better that then he will rightly be sacked as well, cup trophy or no cup trophy and I don't think anyone would argue against it.

You are coming at this from a strange angle imv - id like to think most people support the club, not individual managers- why would anyone be making a rod for their own back with that in mind? People support the manager if they think they are doing a good job or show signs that they are on the right path - if they don't think the manager is the right man for the job then they don't- it's pretty simple
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In the spirit of debate, how do you square Amorim with this idea of seeing no improvement? Also responding to another idea I’ve seen that patience is earned.

Because I would argue in this context that offering patience to a manager is when you DONT see improvement. It’s easy to stick with someone if you’re dominating games and getting unlucky. It’s harder if you’re buying into an idea and actually seeing complete inconsistency for a year plus.

In this reading, I would say that United have shown patience, and up to the Grimsby game Amorim didn’t really show great signs of improvement of having deserved that patience. But now things have started to click. I would say there’s a world in which we say to Ange ‘thank you for the Europa League, and thank you for making the season a historic success despite a ridiculous injury crisis, now let’s see what you can do with hopefully a normalised injury list and a CL campaign.’ THAT would have been showing patience. In the same way United have done with Amorim.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
In the spirit of debate, how do you square Amorim with this idea of seeing no improvement? Also responding to another idea I’ve seen that patience is earned.

Because I would argue in this context that offering patience to a manager is when you DONT see improvement. It’s easy to stick with someone if you’re dominating games and getting unlucky. It’s harder if you’re buying into an idea and actually seeing complete inconsistency for a year plus.

In this reading, I would say that United have shown patience, and up to the Grimsby game Amorim didn’t really show great signs of improvement of having deserved that patience. But now things have started to click. I would say there’s a world in which we say to Ange ‘thank you for the Europa League, and thank you for making the season a historic success despite a ridiculous injury crisis, now let’s see what you can do with hopefully a normalised injury list and a CL campaign.’ THAT would have been showing patience. In the same way United have done with Amorim.
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Amorim hasn't even been at United a full year yet so I'm not sure your point there holds any weight.

Giving Postecoglou a third season would have been beyond patience and just outright blind faith bordering on negligence/self-sabotage
 
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