You have Wimmer, and if you don't trust him you have Dier to slot in and Bentaleb to play deep like at Leicester in the cup. Bentaleb knows the system, Dier knows the system. The CBs split and DM drops in...it is not easy to play if you don't know it. I would see if CCV is up to it for some cup games too personally.
We will be fine. We do not need another CB right now, it will not help.
How can you say it will not help? What if we brought in a Kompany or a Stones? With Fazio not at the races and Verts possibly out all season, that just leaves Toby and Wimmer. One more injury to one of them and we are up brick creek.
I trust Poch to know what he needs and doesn't.
He's consistently defied some observers and I am hopeful he continues to do so with such positive results.
I stand by what I said.
The two players you have chosen are impossible targets in the next 5 days and you're simply being obtuse.
Those were extreme examples to disagree with your point that no CB would help. If you noticed I said "a Kompany or a Stones". Not Kompany or Stones. Subtle difference obviously lost. I could equally have said a Naybet or a Gallas. The point is we have a blockage in our squad. Fazio might as well not be there. I do not see the problem with replacing him.
I didn't say it would be easy, but I nevertheless think it would be sensible so as not to potentially disrupt our season.
Those were extreme examples to disagree with your point that no CB would help. If you noticed I said "a Kompany or a Stones". Not Kompany or Stones. Subtle difference obviously lost. I could equally have said a Naybet or a Gallas. The point is we have a blockage in our squad. Fazio might as well not be there. I do not see the problem with replacing him.
I didn't say it would be easy, but I nevertheless think it would be sensible so as not to potentially disrupt our season.
I trust Poch to know what he needs and doesn't.
He's consistently defied some observers and I am hopeful he continues to do so with such positive results.
Worst case scenario Wimmer or Toby get injured, at least Fazio has been training with the team all season, understands the system and is at the required fitness levels (or as near as he can be without getting games). Someone from the outside isn't.
Someone earlier said the Poch isn't currently even talking to Fazio. If their relationship has broken down to that extent (and I have no way of knowing whether it has or not) then to play him would potentially be the worst of all worlds.
Someone earlier said the Poch isn't currently even talking to Fazio. If their relationship has broken down to that extent (and I have no way of knowing whether it has or not) then to play him would potentially be the worst of all worlds.
That's very speculative P55.
I agree, but no one knows for sure. What is apparent is that Fazio seems to have disappeared.
If Vertonghen is out for 12 weeks (big IF) then we need to be planning for the rest of the season without him. An additional tweak or a slower than average recovery can easily turn 12 weeks into 15 (and that's the end of the season). On top of that, Pochettino appears to like bringing players back quite slowly from injury. This means we now have a centre back pairing of Wimmer and Alderweireld for the rest of this season, with Fazio for backup (who the manager doesn't seem to like) or Dier (which I believe significantly weakens our midfield - Bentaleb notwithstanding) or CCV / Veljkovic (who may not be ready yet).
That puts us one more injury (to Alderweireld or Wimmer) away from a very serious problem in defence (IMO). We may need additional cover... especially if Fazio is off.
Those were extreme examples to disagree with your point that no CB would help. If you noticed I said "a Kompany or a Stones". Not Kompany or Stones. Subtle difference obviously lost. I could equally have said a Naybet or a Gallas. The point is we have a blockage in our squad. Fazio might as well not be there. I do not see the problem with replacing him.
I didn't say it would be easy, but I nevertheless think it would be sensible so as not to potentially disrupt our season.
This is not a question of trusting Poch or not. What will you think if Poch buys another CB?
This discussion is our own opinion of what we think would be best. I am sure Poch could cope with the squad as it is (just as he has with no cover for Kane). That doesn't contradict the discussion of what individuals consider might be best and it certainly does not suggest that Poch is somehow wrong or has poor judgement
I would be fine with it.
What will you think if Poch doesn't buy another CB after claiming that we desperately need a new CB?
So who are these players well described as "a Kompany" or "a Stones"??? Huge difference between them and Naybet and Gallas. Naybet and Gallas were brought in to play. Be regular starters, and did really well in those roles. That's different to bringing in someone to be a backup to our backup (Wimmer).
Another injury and our CB partnership is Dier and Wimmer or Toby and Dier with Bentaleb and Dembele in front of them. How come you are so confident that a new signing alongside either Toby or Wimmer with Dier and Dembele in front of them would be do better?
Again... New signing. Not used to the system. Probably not of great overall quality if he's cheap-ish and happy to be our 4th choice CB. Look at some of the backup CB's at some of our competitors... Caulker, Toure, Gabriel, Mangala, Demichelis etc. And some of those have been signed for significant money and/or on high wages. But we're just going to bring someone in that's not going to get much game time until called upon, that hasn't played under Poch, mid season in the difficult January transfer window and they're just automatically going to be better for us than Dier at CB and Bentaleb/Dembele as the DM?
And we pretty much replaced Fazio this summer. Remember us signing two centre backs in Alderweireld and Wimmer?
I said that I think we need to replace the fourth CB in the squad if Poch has no use for Fazio in order to balance the squad. Hardly controversial I would have thought.
All your suggested permutations require a re-jig of the team following a further injury. It is easy to underestimate the role Dier has had In protecting the back four. Last season with Mason and Bentaleb there we looked really shaky through the middle. The CB s are definitely an improvement bur Dier is the key IMO. To move him out of this position would really diminish us and potentially undermine our entire defensive structure. A replacement CB is far the more preferable option IMO.
The points you make can equally apply to any January signing. it doesn't mean we shouldn't sign anyone in January ever.
This is not a question of trusting Poch or not. What will you think if Poch buys another CB?
This discussion is our own opinion of what we think would be best. I am sure Poch could cope with the squad as it is (just as he has with no cover for Kane). That doesn't contradict the discussion of what individuals consider might be best and it certainly does not suggest that Poch is somehow wrong or has poor judgement