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Sandro - Beast

Re: ITK Thread

Sandro was outstanding in AVB's first season, prior to his ACL injury.

He had also established himself as first choice in central midfield for Brazil. You don't do that unless you are a very good player.

Lastly, we have the evidence of our own eyes. You might never have rated him. But I and many others rate him very highly indeed. By far our best defensive midfielder when fully fit and one of the best in the Premier League. It's no accident that, over the years, some of the very biggest clubs in the world have tried to buy him. It's not as if Napoli are no mark mugs either.

So, no disrespect to Harry but I couldn't give a monkeys what he might have thought of Sandro.

I do rate him as a player very highly when fit. I just think he he can't be relied upon. He has not managed more than half a season since joining and he looks increasingly rusty/leggy.

I'd also point out Sandro played in Brazil's Olympic team which is essentially an u23 team.
 
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He got injured in January 2013, near career threatening injury where he contemplated giving up football for good. He came back and struggled to get back in the team because he lacked match fitness, Sherwood come in and the rest is history. ONE serious injury his whole career and he's been written off and called made of glass :lol: - Roy Keane comparison from GB was spot on.
 
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That is not my recollection of what happened. We had been after Sandro for a while before we signed him, so Redknapp certainly was aware of him. When he signed he had been playing a year's worth of football straight and Redknapp decided to rest him and give him a chance to acclimatise to England.

I guess we have different views of HR lol! No way on earth was he a HR signing, he was a Broomfield/Levy signing and I think Harry took time to warm to him.

Guess its all about viewing situations.
 
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He got injured in January 2013, near career threatening injury where he contemplated giving up football for good. He came back and struggled to get back in the team because he lacked match fitness, Sherwood come in and the rest is history. ONE serious injury his whole career and he's been written off and called made of glass :lol: - Roy Keane comparison from GB was spot on.

But he got injured prior to that injury and after he came back from that injury last season he got injured again.
 
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I guess we have different views of HR lol! No way on earth was he a HR signing, he was a Broomfield/Levy signing and I think Harry took time to warm to him.

Guess its all about viewing situations.

I don't think he was a Harry signing either, but id agree with Milo that the reason he wasn't a first choice for him was because of the continuous amount of playing time he had prior to signing - as well as acclimatizing to a new country etc rather than he simply didn't rate him.
 
I don't think he was a Harry signing either, but id agree with Milo that the reason he wasn't a first choice for him was because of the continuous amount of playing time he had prior to signing - as well as acclimatizing to a new country etc rather than he simply didn't rate him.

The point I was making was that we had been trying to sign Sandro for more than one window, so it was very unlikely that Redknapp didn't know who he was as SY claimed. I think that it is most likely that he was identified by Broomfield too.
 
The point I was making was that we had been trying to sign Sandro for more than one window, so it was very unlikely that Redknapp didn't know who he was as SY claimed. I think that it is most likely that he was identified by Broomfield too.

he was recommended to redknapp who watched him on one video and decided to buy him
 
Interesting blogspot especially seeing the esteem the Beast is held on this board...

http://threeandin.com/archives/42016?

Despite being a popular player at the club which his team-mates and supporters, here are five reasons Spurs should cash in on the 25-year-old.

Injury Prone

The Beast completed 90 minutes in the Premier League last season on only four occasions, winning only one of those games whilst conceding 12 goals in the other three. His form is nowhere near the level he displayed in the previous season under Villas-Boas or prior to this under Harry Redknapp, despite his limited game-time. Although, it’s fair to say that the only central midfielder who impressed at N17 last season was youngster Nabil Bentaleb.

Discipline

Sandro’s weakness in his game lies in his lack of pace in the middle of the park, repeatedly being sprinted past by the opposition, resulting in the midfielder giving away countless fouls and tallying up 8 yellow cards in only 23 appearances last season in all competitions.

To put that in perspective, Etienne Capoue and Nabil Bentaleb received a combined 4 yellow cards in all competitions which calculated to 35 appearances.

Interestingly, the only player who was booked more times than Sandro last season was Michael Dawson, who is set to leave the club for Hull City, having been cautioned 9 times in 38 appearances including the Europa League fixtures.

Experience

When you look at the Tottenham midfield, there is a main quality of leadership lacking amongst the group.

Whilst Dembele, Sandro, Bentaleb, Capoue and Paulinho all can provide dynamic combinations to over-run the opposition (sometimes), the reports of the north London club signing free agent Esteban Cambiasso only re-affirm the belief that a leader is needed in the core of the team to help provide the composure and control.

Something Tim Sherwood was so often crying out for last season.

Sherwood was right

Harry Redknapp junior often got into trouble last season for running his mouth, culminating in a war of words between the gaffer and Sandro when the former Blackburn captain stated that the Brazilian international wasn’t good enough to warrant a place in his side, and the stats prove that Sherwood wasn’t totally wrong for once.

In fact, Sandro made more defensive errors per 90 minutes in contrast to Bentaleb and Capoue, won the fewest duels, made the most fouls and won the least number of tackles in comparision to the other two players battling out for his position.

Squad modification

Quite simply, the Tottenham squad is too big. Dembele, Paulinho, Bentaleb, Capoue, and returning loanees Tom Carroll and Lewis Holtby prove that Pochettino has a wealth of options to choose from next season.

Additionally, Capoue, Bentaleb, Paulinho, Dembele and Holtby can all play in multiple positions in midfield, whether it’s the latters’ ability to play behind the striker or even Capoue’s ability to play as a centre-back all working in their favour.

With Sandro being frustrated to miss out on the World Cup in his home country, there is no doubt he hopes to push his way back into the frame for a national team position, and he knows that first team football at Napoli could help him achieve this aim.
 
Not much in there to disagree with. The beast may be popular, but Sandro the footballer is not that special.

I still remember dome iffy passing from Sandro and errors from Gomez that saw us exit the Champions League



...... stands back and awaits incoming .......
 
Not much in there to disagree with. The beast may be popular, but Sandro the footballer is not that special.

I still remember dome iffy passing from Sandro and errors from Gomez that saw us exit the Champions League



...... stands back and awaits incoming .......


I also remember him totally bossing the midfield against AC Milan at their gaff...but that was before the serious injury.

I hope he stays...he has a spirit and bond with the supporters that is rarely found these days.

I wouldn't be sad to see him being made the team captain..
 
That article makes some fair points, but I also have some disagreements.

-I'm not convinced by small sample yellow card tallies based on total appearances instead of minutes played just to make it slightly worse and even comparing Sandro to Bentaleb which is a bit strange to say the least. For whatever reason ignoring Sandro's previous seasons when available and relevant is also very strange to me.

-All 4 other points (also) fail to argue in support of other established players ahead of Sandro. Dembele and Capoue have also had injury problems, the much of a muchness problem is obviously not an issue with one individual player, where's the leadership in Dembele, Capoue and Paulinho compared to Sandro etc.

In form Sandro is the player that has proved himself the best out of the "big 4" central midfield options we have.
 
He needs to concentrate on being a footballer, not a karate kicking ninja, not a clown, not a musician, not a motor cross rider, cut out hiding in laundry baskets

Get back to performing on the pitch and earn the right to have a bit of fun off it
 
He needs to concentrate on being a footballer, not a karate kicking ninja, not a clown, not a musician, not a motor cross rider, cut out hiding in laundry baskets

Get back to performing on the pitch and earn the right to have a bit of fun off it

I don't think it works like that. Even footballers can be multifaceted, he won't necessarily become a better footballer by just concentrating on that, some people need distractions or to let off steam to perform at their best.
 
His ACL injury is no reason to offload him. He came back in six months, had the inevitable hamstring injuries as a result of the ACL graft, then got in and out of the team thanks to Tim. He's the best tackler we have, plays with as much spirit as the rest of the team put together and dominates midfield on his day. Lose him and I will be furious.
 
I think it's interesting to potentially lose faith in a player who we all agreed was very very important to us the last few seasons. Not me. In fact, were we to go 3 at the back (something I would love) he'd be an excellent deep sitting midfielder...
 
That article makes some fair points, but I also have some disagreements.

-I'm not convinced by small sample yellow card tallies based on total appearances instead of minutes played just to make it slightly worse and even comparing Sandro to Bentaleb which is a bit strange to say the least. For whatever reason ignoring Sandro's previous seasons when available and relevant is also very strange to me.

-All 4 other points (also) fail to argue in support of other established players ahead of Sandro. Dembele and Capoue have also had injury problems, the much of a muchness problem is obviously not an issue with one individual player, where's the leadership in Dembele, Capoue and Paulinho compared to Sandro etc.

In form Sandro is the player that has proved himself the best out of the "big 4" central midfield options we have.
I'm not sure those stats tell us anything other than Sandro returning from an injury is slightly less good than some of our other options.

I think we have to assume that he won't be returning from injury forever.
 
Personally not too bothered if sold would like to see us buy 2 centre halves and a left back then try Vertonghen in the sandro role. He has all the attributes imo, good reader of the game, reasonable tackler but importantly for a midfielder he can pass and move the ball quickly.
 
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