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Tim Sherwood…gone \o/

Do you want Tim Sherwood to stay as manager?

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Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

chancer said:
Poch could take 6 months to learn what Sherwood shows he knows about our set-up in this interview, simply by virtue of being here already. Which makes the panic to get one out and the other in seem less sensible by the day.

If Sherwood bombs, we could have him out the door and Poch in at Christmas. Since that would have been Poch's learning/acclimatisation period anyway, and since his arrival at Christmas could be a boost to the players if we're struggling, it really is becoming increasingly difficult to see the compelling need for Poch to come in this summer.

And is some other club going to poach Poch this summer? Not in England unless it's Saudi Sportswashing Machine, and I doubt he'd bother going to that madhouse. Who in Spain would he be tempted by, knowing his reputation is growing in England? Italy or Germany? Maybe, but I strongly suspect he'll still be at Southampton if we don't take him, biding his time for Spurs to come back, Arsenal to open up, Pellegrini getting the chop, or a really big job back home to come along.

Sherwood's interview - rookie gaffs absent, correct analysis of our players, repeated praise of attacking football - really shows what he could be when he settles down, stops making silly mistakes and stops losing his temper. His learning curve even in the last few weeks has been rapid.
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=D> Yep agree 100% he started off like a bull in a china shop spouting crap almost banging the media drum to let everyone know he was here.

I think a good metaphor would be a young pup who's a bit scatty, they have there nuts cut and all of a sudden you have sensible dog. Was TS's nut cutting the media leak about his impending doom? since then he's been a lot more conservative and sensible with his press comments.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Raziel said:
I like you mate, but the last thing the club needs is another mid season manager transition.

The equation is simple
- Either the club hierarchy believes in TS and will back him all of the next season, including purchases in summer
- Or if they doubt, and will not back him in summer, then he has to go now, get new guy in, get his buys, his preseason.
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But that's exactly the thing Raz - they don't have to back Sherwood with signings and money!

Why?

First, because he's just Tim Sherwood and would be damn lucky to have the job and would be in no position to be demanding anything. He'd be as aware of this as anyone. He'd accept a LB and nothing else.

But more importantly, because he's already on the transfer panel he KNOWS the club's strategic vision on what players it wants to buy. He already knows Levy and Baldini and how their minds work. He understands the budgets available - he knows he can't ask for Hulk or Benzema. He knows the youth set-up and who can step up, like Bentaleb, Kane and Carroll. He is coming into the job with eyes wide open on ALL of this, so the idea he'll get the job for next season and then demand £50m net spend is impossible. And the idea that we want to be going out and buying 5 or 6 players AGAIN is pretty ridiculous anyway. Not gonna happen.

In many ways it is the ideal use of the DoF system - a somewhat expendable coach working under a master plan.

Flip ALL of those things around on your second bullet point - with Poch, none of those things apply. We WOULD have to give him funds. We WOULD have to worry about conflicts with Baldini/recruitment strategies. We WOULD have to worry about another revolving door of players. We WOULD have to worry about taking time to learn the set up/strategic vision. Etc. etc.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

chancer said:
Poch could take 6 months to learn what Sherwood shows he knows about our set-up in this interview.
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Or he could watch a handful of Spurs matches or take a general interest in football.

We all know everything Timmeh just said about our midfield and none of us have any more experience in managing a football team than he does (actually I think a handful do).
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

DHSF said:
The chances are they do not but I hope to GHod they show more sense than half the guys on here who want anyone but Tim. Im sure the Board are more sensible and think otherwise i.e. if there isnt a great candidate at the present moment and one they truly see as a long term solution 100% convinced - then dont bother. There is absolutely no point in bringing in someone who the Board dont fancy 100% or would be a short term solution.
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Keeping Timmeh would be a temporary solution, so why not go for a temporary solution that involves a professional doing the job they're paid to do?
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

scaramanga said:
Or he could watch a handful of Spurs matches or take a general interest in football.

We all know that about our midfield and none of us have any more experience in managing a football team than Timmeh does (actually I think a handful do).
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Scara, the other day you said we could get Mancini in while we continued searching for someone better. So let's be generous and say you don't exactly have a plan fully thought-through yourself.

On watching matches, Sherwood's interview today shows he understand the mix, qualities and deficiencies in our squad perfectly well. If he didn't, Bentaleb would still be in the reserves and Eriksen would still be starting in the wrong position.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

chancer said:
Poch could take 6 months to learn what Sherwood shows he knows about our set-up in this interview, simply by virtue of being here already. Which makes the panic to get one out and the other in seem less sensible by the day.

If Sherwood bombs, we could have him out the door and Poch in at Christmas. Since that would have been Poch's learning/acclimatisation period anyway, and since his arrival at Christmas could be a boost to the players if we're struggling, it really is becoming increasingly difficult to see the compelling need for Poch to come in this summer.

And is some other club going to poach Poch this summer? Not in England unless it's Saudi Sportswashing Machine, and I doubt he'd bother going to that madhouse. Who in Spain would he be tempted by, knowing his reputation is growing in England? Italy or Germany? Maybe, but I strongly suspect he'll still be at Southampton if we don't take him, biding his time for Spurs to come back, Arsenal to open up, Pellegrini getting the chop, or a really big job back home to come along.

Sherwood's interview - rookie gaffs absent, correct analysis of our players, repeated praise of attacking football - really shows what he could be when he settles down, stops making silly mistakes and stops losing his temper. His learning curve even in the last few weeks has been rapid.
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Predictions about which managers will or won't be available at various points in the future seems more or less impossible to me.

In one paragraph you argue that the 6 month head start Sherwood has is important and favours Sherwood, in the next you argue that if we end up having to wait another 6 months to get Pochettino in for Sherwood that's no big deal and this also favours Sherwood? I don't quite see how those match up.

Raziel said:
I like you mate, but the last thing the club needs is another mid season manager transition.

The equation is simple
- Either the club hierarchy believes in TS and will back him all of the next season, including purchases in summer
- Or if they doubt, and will not back him in summer, then he has to go now, get new guy in, get his buys, his preseason.
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Spot on. This "is he, isn't he?" situation is damaging to the club and has to come to an end.

If Sherwood keeps the job it should be because the club thinks he's the best option we have at this point in time.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

chancer said:
Scara, the other day you said we could get Mancini in while we continued searching for someone better. So let's be generous and say you don't exactly have a plan fully thought-through yourself.

On watching matches, Sherwood's interview today shows he understand the mix, qualities and deficiencies in our squad perfectly well. If he didn't, Bentaleb would still be in the reserves and Eriksen would still be starting in the wrong position.
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when did this happen?
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

diego_maradona said:
Just dont think he's a good people person. Before anyone defends him against that claim, ask yourself why the majority of fans want him gone.

Also the kinda subs he made v Stoke was somewhat bemusing to me
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I was at the Stoke game and I saw sense in all the substitutions that he made.... I think his reasoning was that Stoke were bombarding us with long balls, putting on a defensive midfielder wouldn't have changed that, but instead caused us to go even deeper and invite more pressure. Sherwood was looking to exploit the gaps that Stoke's attacking presented and grab a second goal to put the game away. Unfortunately the players that came on did not impose themselves and find positions where they could receive the ball

Despite all of Stoke's huff and puff they really didn't ever much look like scoring, so to change the shape to make us more defensive didn't seem to be something worth doing.

Saturday's result was a good one. Stoke is a difficult place to go and win for any team.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

Gotta feel for him when another manager (Frank de Boer) confirms that Levy has contacted Ajax's TD about him.

Two more games for Sherwood. While it's been hard to take him seriously, I've grown to like him. He'll be getting a good round of applause on the last day of the season.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

chancer said:
Scara, the other day you said we could get Mancini in while we continued searching for someone better. So let's be generous and say you don't exactly have a plan fully thought-through yourself.

On watching matches, Sherwood's interview today shows he understand the mix, qualities and deficiencies in our squad perfectly well. If he didn't, Bentaleb would still be in the reserves and Eriksen would still be starting in the wrong position.
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He spoke well about one role in one position. A problem that a ton of people including myself and Scara have been able to point out for quite a long time now.

I don't really see how pointing this one thing out shows that he understand the mix, qualities and deficiencies in our squad perfectly well. It shows that he understands this one thing. What is his take on the left back situation? The centre back situation? The Ade and Soldado conundrum?
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

chancer said:
Scara, the other day you said we could get Mancini in while we continued searching for someone better. So let's be generous and say you don't exactly have a plan fully thought-through yourself.

On watching matches, Sherwood's interview today shows he understand the mix, qualities and deficiencies in our squad perfectly well. If he didn't, Bentaleb would still be in the reserves and Eriksen would still be starting in the wrong position.
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You're right, he does understand the midfield. So do a few hundred laymen on an internet forum. So does everyone who's watched a handful of Spurs matches this season.

I don't believe for a second that if all of us can see something, and if Timmeh can see it too, that every single professional football manager wouldn't see it as well.

I have a lot of preferred managers - my point about Mancini is that he's a terrible, terrible option. It's an option that's far less terrible than doing nothing though.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

scaramanga said:
You're right, he does understand the midfield. So do a few hundred laymen on an internet forum. So does everyone who's watched a handful of Spurs matches this season.

I don't believe for a second that if all of us can see something, and if Timmeh can see it too, that every single professional football manager wouldn't see it as well.

I have a lot of preferred managers - my point about Mancini is that he's a terrible, terrible option. It's an option that's far less terrible than doing nothing though.
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So why do you think our last manager couldn't seem to understand this at all?
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I'm completely torn by him at the moment. I don't think it would be the worst thing in the world to go into next season with him in charge (if there's nobody better/more experienced available), and in all honesty I would love to see him do well just to witness the complete and utter meltdown on here. Imagine us winning the EL or FA Cup or something next year with him in charge, the excuses and wiggling out of giving him any credit would be hilarious.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

I don't know what part of that interview is meant to impress me. I can give you all one line descriptions on our defenders too if you really want? If anything, all that Tim talk does is back up my belief that before we know it we're going to end up with Carroll and Livermore as our CM pairing if he was to keep the job. I guess that's marginally preferable to a pairing of two attacking midfielders though.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

billyiddo said:
when did this happen?
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1. AVB started Eriksen in 5 of the 9 matches he was fit to start. Sherwood started Eriksen in all his first 9 games in a row, then rested him for 2 games, and has since started him in the next 8 in a row. I believe it's 17 starts out of 19 (Statto can correct me on that, but its something like that).

So, in the first instance, the bench was the wrong position for Eriksen.

2. Since Sherwood came in, his form has rocketed, mainly due to starting on the left on the team sheet, but in fact spending a lot of time coming inside, losing his marker out wide and bamboozling whoever is covering in the middle. All the while, he's swapping places with Lennon, Chadli and even Ade. It's been hard to tell where any of them have been starting at times, but wherever it is, it's been working.

I don't know what specific instruction he's been given, but when he was on AVB's teamsheets in the middle, he was poor and lost. Now, he's our best player, starting on the team sheet on the left, but playing wherever they've worked on in training.
 
Re: Tim Sherwood - Head Coach

He played like a little boy lost in the centre whilst AVB was manager. Luckily sherwood knew to play him on the left and he now looks like a world beater.
 
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