Emmanuel Adebayor - Officially gone \o/

[Bullet]

Re: So what has gone wrong with adebayor?

Just like the ratings for some of our other players they are skewed by heavy bias.

OK, so removing all bias, let's take a look at EVERY rating of Adebayor in his last game. He got rated 4,6,5,4,5 with two comments:
"touch of a rapist and no determination"
"I think this is the lowest I've ever marked one of our own. He was the weakest link"

Rather impressive!

 

[Jurgen the German]

Re: So what has gone wrong with adebayor?

the last 6 games or so both have 1 goal a piece (iirc) but Adebayor is far more involved in general play (touches per game etc) yet he is the one singled out.

That doesn't mean he's worked hard. Adebayor is always going to be the player that the rest of the team looks for to link up the play rather than Defoe.

The game on Saturday was a great game for Adebayor to impress in Defoe's absence, but he never looked like scoring in a month of Sundays, the ball keeped bouncing off him, he struggled to beat league 1 defenders and he didn't attack the six yard box enough. He's not going to score from outside the area.

 

[billyiddo]

Re: So what has gone wrong with adebayor?

That doesn't mean he's worked hard. Adebayor is always going to be the player that the rest of the team looks for to link up the play rather than Defoe.

The game on Saturday was a great game for Adebayor to impress in Defoe's absence, but he never looked like scoring in a month of Sundays, the ball keeped bouncing off him, he struggled to beat league 1 defenders and he didn't attack the six yard box enough. He's not going to score from outside the area.

Coventry game is the only one this season i have been disappointed with his efforts - personally i think although he hasn't been scoring he still does a lot of work off the ball (and on it) for the team.

needs to up his game in front of goal, but a lot of the criticism aimed at him is way overboard

 

[Jurgen the German]

Re: So what has gone wrong with adebayor?

Coventry game is the only one this season i have been disappointed with his efforts - personally i think although he hasn't been scoring he still does a lot of work off the ball (and on it) for the team.

needs to up his game in front of goal, but a lot of the criticism aimed at him is way overboard

You clearly think his work rate is good, I'm not having a dig, that's just your opinion. But the difference between him and someone like Sig for example is pretty much all Spurs fans could see Sig was working hard and is a tryer in general. But it's not just one maverick on the board who's saying Adebayor's work rate isn't up to scratch, it's a fair few and I've noticed it at WHL fans aren't happy with his lack of effort.

 

[thfcsteff]

Re: So what has gone wrong with adebayor?

You must be watching a different player to the rest of us. If you dont want to believe the stats - just look at his ratings given on this forum for virtually every game this season. His heart just aint in it for some reason.

Sorry mate, but the 'ratings on this forum' mean little in the big picture.
I think the Ade-bashing is weird. Yes he's an easy target because he has not been scoring as many, his season has been disrupted and he's erred in judgement a few times, but if you watch him carefully, he has been occupying defenses/dragging players all over the place! I think he can handle his departure for a few games, largely because AVB can either play Sandro/Parker and push Dembele behind Defoe OR Dempsey will step in and do a fine job, but for me, Ade's been far too easy and lazy a target for criticism.

 

[thfcsteff]

Re: So what has gone wrong with adebayor?

the last 6 games or so both have 1 goal a piece (iirc) but Adebayor is far more involved in general play (touches per game etc) yet he is the one singled out.

This.
But already a losing battle...

 

[billyiddo]

Re: So what has gone wrong with adebayor?

Jurgen - it's not that i think it's good it's more that i think the criticism is OTT - players have bad patches, dry spells whatever and Adebayor is no different - as it happens, as a dry spell i don't think this is particularly anything to worry about and think he still puts in a decent enough shift, i think if this wasn't ex Arsenal ex Emirates Marketing Project Adebayor with his reputation a lot of stick he's getting wouldn't be there at all.


the faults in his game this season are the same that they were last season - offside a lot, inconsistent first touch, poor chance conversion so asides from a barren run in goals i don't see much difference other than his head obviously being a bit down because of that.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Re: So what has gone wrong with adebayor?

This.
But already a losing battle...

Once again though, Defoe has played well on the whole this season. That's why he's given the benefit of the doubt. And people also expect more from Adebayor too and they know Defoe is limited in certain aspects of his game.

What happens to us if Defoe picks up an injury? I dread to think!

 

[Jurgen the German]

Re: So what has gone wrong with adebayor?

it's not that i think it's good it's more that i think the criticism is OTT - players have bad patches, dry spells whatever and Adebayor is no different - as it happens, as a dry spell i don't think this is particularly anything to worry about and think he still puts in a decent enough shift, i think if this wasn't ex Arsenal ex Emirates Marketing Project Adebayor with his reputation a lot of stick he's getting wouldn't be there at all.

What's frustrating though is he's following the same pattern that he's had at all of his previous clubs; he starts off like a house on fire, then he gets comfortable, his form dips and ultimately doesn't do it as much as he should do. I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but you have to wonder why all these clubs keep getting rid of him. He couldn't even find success at Real Madrid who have some wonderful players in midfield supplying chances.

 

[billyiddo]

Re: So what has gone wrong with adebayor?

What's frustrating though is he's following the same pattern that he's had at all of his previous clubs; he starts off like a house on fire, then he gets comfortable, his form dips and ultimately doesn't do it as much as he should do. I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but you have to wonder why all these clubs keep getting rid of him. He couldn't even find success at Real Madrid who have some wonderful players in midfield supplying chances.

i think too many of you are judging him on his reputation rather than his performances - he's not scoring, his head is naturally down because of that but he is still doing a lot of good work in the final 3rd off the ball and also plenty of tracking back etc to be afforded some credit.


as Steff touched on - he barely had a pre season, the first quarter he was in and out of the first team squad with niggly injuries (without really getting much game time) - i think it's a cop out to look at Arsenal and Emirates Marketing Project and draw comparisons

all these clubs keep getting rid of him?

Arsenal - wanted to keep him, sold to a very high bid from City (25 mil with one year left on his contract iirc)

City - new manager came in and was allowed to sign whoever he wanted, how much did they spend after he signed for them? got shunted out to the reserves and most likely totally forgotten about by the managment

Real Madrid - loan deal, done reasonably well but let's face it - he just isn't good enough to play for the worlds biggest team long term really is he? that's why he is playing for us

 

[Jurgen the German]

Re: So what has gone wrong with adebayor?

i nearly commented on this but thought better of it, but seeings as you brought it up . . .

i think too many of you are judging him on his reputation rather than his performances - he's not scoring, his head is naturally down because of that but he is still doing a lot of good work in the final 3rd off the ball and also plenty of tracking back etc to be afforded some credit.

So you see no reason for us to worry about him then?

I admire your stance when it comes to only judging him by what he does at Spurs, but his form now is remarkably similar to what he was like at similar stages at his previous clubs. You can't expect fans to not look at a player's entire career. If we were looking to sign a player, you would want to know what he's achieved and how he's performed over his career, not just what he could do potentially at Spurs.

 

[billyiddo]

Re: So what has gone wrong with adebayor?

by all means worry - just don't use it as a stick to beat him with

 

[NaijaSpurs]

Re: So what has gone wrong with adebayor?

Jurgen - it's not that i think it's good it's more that i think the criticism is OTT - players have bad patches, dry spells whatever and Adebayor is no different - as it happens, as a dry spell i don't think this is particularly anything to worry about and think he still puts in a decent enough shift, i think if this wasn't ex Arsenal ex Emirates Marketing Project Adebayor with his reputation a lot of stick he's getting wouldn't be there at all.

Rubbish, this has nothing to do with him playing for Arsenal. He is not scoring a lot of goals and he is not making a lot of goals. He may be running about and using a lot of effort but there is simply not a lot of end product.

The one awesome performance he has put in this season he conspired to get him sent of after 16 minutes. Last season I thought he missed too many chances but he still had a return of about 18 goals and a similar number of goals. We are half way through the season and he has been a shadow of the player he was then. Considering so many people would rather he be playing up front on his own instead of Defoe methinks there is a lot to worry about. On Saturday against inferior opposition he was very poor and did not score or create a goal and did not remotely look like scoring or creating a goal

 

[Jurgen the German]

Re: So what has gone wrong with adebayor?

Rubbish, this has nothing to do with him playing for Arsenal. He is not scoring a lot of goals and he is not making a lot of goals. He may be running about and using a lot of effort but there is simply not a lot of end product.

The one awesome performance he has put in this season he conspired to get him sent of after 16 minutes. Last season I thought he missed too many chances but he still had a return of about 18 goals and a similar number of goals. We are half way through the season and he has been a shadow of the player he was then. Considering so many people would rather he be playing up front on his own instead of Defoe methinks there is a lot to worry about. On Saturday against inferior opposition he was very poor and did not score or create a goal and did not remotely look like scoring or creating a goal

Good analysis.

 

[braineclipse]

Re: So what has gone wrong with adebayor?

Jurgen - it's not that i think it's good it's more that i think the criticism is OTT - players have bad patches, dry spells whatever and Adebayor is no different - as it happens, as a dry spell i don't think this is particularly anything to worry about and think he still puts in a decent enough shift, i think if this wasn't ex Arsenal ex Emirates Marketing Project Adebayor with his reputation a lot of stick he's getting wouldn't be there at all.


the faults in his game this season are the same that they were last season - offside a lot, inconsistent first touch, poor chance conversion so asides from a barren run in goals i don't see much difference other than his head obviously being a bit down because of that.

I'm not sure. A lot of what gets written in this thread reminds of what was written in the Dempsey thread.

The explanations people use are different, but the criticism seems to me similar.

Edit: I agree with the rest of your post.

 

[Modric THFC]

Re: So what has gone wrong with adebayor?

Said at the end of last season he was way too inconsistent.
Its a waste of monyt having a marquee signing that you cant rely on.

 

[billyiddo]

Re: So what has gone wrong with adebayor?

Rubbish, this has nothing to do with him playing for Arsenal. He is not scoring a lot of goals and he is not making a lot of goals. He may be running about and using a lot of effort but there is simply not a lot of end product.

The one awesome performance he has put in this season he conspired to get him sent of after 16 minutes. Last season I thought he missed too many chances but he still had a return of about 18 goals and a similar number of goals. We are half way through the season and he has been a shadow of the player he was then. Considering so many people would rather he be playing up front on his own instead of Defoe methinks there is a lot to worry about. On Saturday against inferior opposition he was very poor and did not score or create a goal and did not remotely look like scoring or creating a goal

it's not rubbish - people have been queuing up to have a pop at him since he missed a few games through injury at the beginning of the season, the fact his 'previous' gets dragged up all the time only highlights it.

end product is well below par but he is still contributing in other areas, the way some people carry on it's as though he's strutting around not putting in the slightest bit of effort.

as for the Coventry game? i wonder how many games against inferior opposition your main man Defoe has done the square root of fudge all against??

but tbf using those types of games against him would be pointless as it really is no real yardstick to measure a players worth. but for you, in Adebayors case it's just another (weak) stick to beat him with

 

[Lily White]

Re: So what has gone wrong with adebayor?

Sorry mate, but the 'ratings on this forum' mean little in the big picture.
I think the Ade-bashing is weird. Yes he's an easy target because he has not been scoring as many, his season has been disrupted and he's erred in judgement a few times, but if you watch him carefully, he has been occupying defenses/dragging players all over the place! I think he can handle his departure for a few games, largely because AVB can either play Sandro/Parker and push Dembele behind Defoe OR Dempsey will step in and do a fine job, but for me, Ade's been far too easy and lazy a target for criticism.

I don't often agree with your views Steff but I do on this subject. Ade is this months jenas, doesn't matter how well we do there is always a player singled out for abuse and critisism.Crouchy use to get the same comments levelled at him as Ade but he also worked hard in dragging players around to create space for others but this is never appreciated even though it is great team play.

 

[Jurgen the German]

Re: So what has gone wrong with adebayor?

it's not rubbish - people have been queuing up to have a pop at him since he missed a few games through injury at the beginning of the season, the fact his 'previous' gets dragged up all the time only highlights it.

end product is well below par but he is still contributing in other areas, the way some people carry on it's as though he's strutting around not putting in the slightest bit of effort.

What other areas Billy? He's not scoring goals or creating them like Crouch did for VDV.

 

[braineclipse]

Re: So what has gone wrong with adebayor?

Said at the end of last season he was way too inconsistent.
Its a waste of monyt having a marquee signing that you cant rely on.

Top class strikers don't grow on trees.

Marquee signing? Does that make him any less or more of a waste of money? How? Is this just some other way of saying that he's the best paid player at the club?