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Lack of trust + insatiable need for speed = disaster

thfcsteff

thfcsteff

Ricky Villa
Looking at many of the stories currently reverberating around our planet, it has struck me that the way public trust in communities such as science and law enforcement has been eroded (and the way in which agitators continue to widen the chasms) is actually terrifying if you ponder it for too long.
We have vast swathes of people who genuinely don't trust science, or scientists, insisting that they're all out to fleece us any which way they can. Add this distrust to the growing societal need for fast, quick answers on any issue, and it is a disaster. There is an almost insane distrust in academia, and there is both a distrust and lack of patience in any action which requires time and close analysis to produce conclusive answers to complex issues.
It is literally nuts!
The only way I deal with it is to recognise how little control I really have, and live my life as the best person I can be on a local level.
Interested in others thoughts on this (admittedly wide) topic of discussion...
 
thfcsteff said:
Looking at many of the stories currently reverberating around our planet, it has struck me that the way public trust in communities such as science and law enforcement has been eroded (and the way in which agitators continue to widen the chasms) is actually terrifying if you ponder it for too long.
We have vast swathes of people who genuinely don't trust science, or scientists, insisting that they're all out to fleece us any which way they can. Add this distrust to the growing societal need for fast, quick answers on any issue, and it is a disaster. There is an almost insane distrust in academia, and there is both a distrust and lack of patience in any action which requires time and close analysis to produce conclusive answers to complex issues.
It is literally nuts!
The only way I deal with it is to recognise how little control I really have, and live my life as the best person I can be on a local level.
Interested in others thoughts on this (admittedly wide) topic of discussion...
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Post Covid this part of society has become worse. Beyond the lack of trust and lack of belief in science or medicine as an example, they who speed at which people want to jump on a half story to be hateful as quick as they can is MENTAL
 
I'm on the fence with this one actually. If I keep it safe and stick to football, I'm a strong believer that we should always push back on things we don't agree with. The Infantino nonsense this week is a good example. The shocking job that Howard WEbb and PGMOL are doing is another. However small our voice is, I think it is right to speak up. It all counts.

Now for the caveat.....

Where it gets grey area for me is where I don't have the cycles in my life to be informed. That is mostly where I struggle and take a massive step back on topics I used to enjoy. Politics mostly fits that category for me. I try to stay out of convo's as it just pulls me back in and I end up spending ages trying to catch up. Current affairs is about as deep as I go.
 
Trust has to be earned. Paticuarly when it’s been proven that the sectors you mentioned in academia, science and law enforcement continuously lie to us and are so easily manipulated my money. Add in the government and media to that.

To put a left spin on it. Gary Stevenson is currently the most prominent economic voice of the left and is heavily critical and distrustful said academia relating to economics. He discusses his expirience at Oxford when studying his masters in great detail and extremely distrustful of them.

Is his distrust insane? Or are his criticisms legitimate?
 
robp135 said:
To put a left spin on it. Gary Stevenson is currently the most prominent economic voice of the left and is heavily critical and distrustful said academia relating to economics. He discusses his expirience at Oxford when studying his masters in great detail and extremely distrustful of them.

Is his distrust insane? Or are his criticisms legitimate?
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He doesn't distrust them.

He just thinks they are out of touch and not very smart.
 
glasgowspur said:
Trust has to earned, doesn't matter who it is.
There's too many take it or assume it as a right.
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Depends what and who it is TBH.

If I was distrustful of Dr's, medicine and health science I wouldn't likely be here given an illness last year.

I think this seemingly new found "question everything, trust no one" is a massively unhealthy way to live, not least on peoples mental health.
 
robp135 said:
Trust has to be earned. Paticuarly when it’s been proven that the sectors you mentioned in academia, science and law enforcement continuously lie to us and are so easily manipulated my money. Add in the government and media to that.
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Genuine question. How do you define 'media' today? I do not think media in the traditional sense of the word exists. For me, media has become editorial and op-eds which reflect either the outlets viewership or benefactors.
There will always come a point where trust will require a leap of faith to an extent, a sense of trustworthiness versus a list of credentials. Sadly, we are at a point where more often than not, years of study and knowledge is being fudged off for the opinion of, say, a podcast host.



robp135 said:
To put a left spin on it. Gary Stevenson is currently the most prominent economic voice of the left and is heavily critical and distrustful said academia relating to economics. He discusses his expirience at Oxford when studying his masters in great detail and extremely distrustful of them.

Is his distrust insane? Or are his criticisms legitimate?
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For me, the biggest issue regarding the lack of trust/need for speed equation we find ourselves in is that it supersedes politics and only fully embraces economic return for a very select percentage of the world. It feels to me that the endgame of this equation is usually an enormous amount of capital, power, or both for a very minuscule amount of people, who continue to be divided and pitted against each other via various 'information' platforms and populated 'agendas'. Left, right, whatever. At the very top of the economic table they DGAF about such trivialities.
 
This is the result of "americanisation". Trust no one but yourself (and/or your favourite 0 IQ tik tok influencer). Helping and trusting other people is bad socialist behaviour.

It's actually insane the way many belive everything some totalt random person the Internet says, but mistrust what 100s of people, that have studied the particular subject for multiple years say.
 
Kandi1977 said:
This is the result of "americanisation". Trust no one but yourself (and/or your favourite 0 IQ tik tok influencer). Helping and trusting other people is bad socialist behaviour.

It's actually insane the way many belive everything some totalt random person the Internet says, but mistrust what 100s of people, that have studied the particular subject for multiple years say.
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This is the part which is really what baffles me. People not trusting their Drs or medical professionals but trusting a random guy (usually AI) online who says that they should not be trusting their Drs as they are all involved in global conspiracy. I am just giving a random but true example.

Twitter fascinates me for this reason, even if you look at Musk who was taken to task for all the falsehoods he spouted about the UK, how many people are trusting him for what he says whilst ignoring facts?

For me its not even about trust, people are just clearly just believing rhetoric's that suit their agenda rather than listen to sanity. If it was about lack of trust people like Andrew Tate would not have so many followers (ironically all who claim to have trust issues)

Ultimately I think people went down rabbit holes during Covid and haven't come back
 
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