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The 'If You Still Need to Purge Yourself Of Ange' Thread

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Ange disrespect continues to amaze me.

Yes, they’ve gone from the solidity of Nuno to shifting to an ultra attacking style.

They lost to Arsenal with no training time, battered Swansea and Betis, could have easily won against Burnley, and didn’t deserve to lose to Sunderland or tonight.

The banter is funny I guess, but the way football is discussed without nuance reminds me of politics now. The Overton window has shifted, and if you aren’t playing pragmatically you’re naive. And everyone just likes to have the most certain, definitive takes that prove they’re in the right camp now.

It may or may not work for Ange at Forest, but the disrespect never ceases to amaze me.
 
He’s embarrassed himself taking this job, he should have left the premier league after winning the Europa with us and left on a high with a question mark over if it was a good idea by Spurs to let him go. He has now fudged that and will be seen as a laughing stock when people look back.
 
I don't think we disrespect players when we say they are not good enough to play for a club. When we say the same thing about a manager, it's perceived by some as traitorous. In reality it's the same thing. Emerson Royle and Pierre Hojbjerg weren't good enough for Spurs. Neither was Ange. It is the same thing. Doesn't mean they don't have some traits that are valuable. We need the full package though and all 3 of those names don't have that. Therefore they needed to be moved on.

Time will tell whether Ange is a good fit for Forest. I think he'll come up short there as well.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
Ange disrespect continues to amaze me.

Yes, they’ve gone from the solidity of Nuno to shifting to an ultra attacking style.

They lost to Arsenal with no training time, battered Swansea and Betis, could have easily won against Burnley, and didn’t deserve to lose to Sunderland or tonight.

The banter is funny I guess, but the way football is discussed without nuance reminds me of politics now. The Overton window has shifted, and if you aren’t playing pragmatically you’re naive. And everyone just likes to have the most certain, definitive takes that prove they’re in the right camp now.

It may or may not work for Ange at Forest, but the disrespect never ceases to amaze me.
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The first manager to win a cup in 17 years, first European trophy in 41 years and he's treated like this by Spurs fans. It's honestly so fudging embarrassing being associated many of the posters in this thread.

Similar to Brennan Johnson. In what other era would the winning manager and goal-scorer of a European cup final be so often ridiculed?
 
Muttley said:
I don't think we disrespect players when we say they are not good enough to play for a club. When we say the same thing about a manager, it's perceived by some as traitorous. In reality it's the same thing. Emerson Royle and Pierre Hojbjerg weren't good enough for Spurs. Neither was Ange. It is the same thing. Doesn't mean they don't have some traits that are valuable. We need the full package though and all 3 of those names don't have that. Therefore they needed to be moved on.

Time will tell whether Ange is a good fit for Forest. I think he'll come up short there as well.
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I am completely fine with someone having the opinion of Ange not being good enough for our club. I might disagree, but I’m fine with it.

What really irks me though is comments like ‘the George Weah’s cousin of managers’. Yes it’s a joke, but the implication is that he is so bad that not only is he not our level, but that he is actually out of place at the professional level.

And maybe you could say that about someone like Terry Connor at Wolves for example. Someone who was so completely of of their depth, that they acknowledged it themselves, and were never a manager afterwards. But a guy that has won trophies at every single club he has been at, including ours, the most trophy repellent big club of the last 15 years?

It’s just so disrespectful and it boggles the mind. There’s probably a fair debate to be had around whether his particular style would ultimately work when the level of quality in the PL is so high…but again, he won a trophy with us and got us 5th in his first season. I think he’s earned his right to be here. It’s one thing to think his style might be a bit naive to use at all times, but it also feels like with Ange there’s some weird football classism because he is Australian, where it’s fine to ridicule who he is and what he does in a way a way that just doesn’t sit right. Russell Martin gets very similar treatment, but Ange has been way more successful at a higher level than Russell Martin.

So my point is, he deserves to be at this level. He’s been tasked with turning a reactive team into a proactive team without a pre season and with the games coming thick and fast. And in most of his games with Forest he’s been unlucky not to win, with strong underlying numbers. It’s not really a point that you can get through in this algorithmic world where banter and ‘takes’ drive the media and punditry, but there’s an ocean of space between making that point, and ridiculing him for being way out of his depth, which he just isn’t.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
Ange disrespect continues to amaze me.

Yes, they’ve gone from the solidity of Nuno to shifting to an ultra attacking style.

They lost to Arsenal with no training time, battered Swansea and Betis, could have easily won against Burnley, and didn’t deserve to lose to Sunderland or tonight.

The banter is funny I guess, but the way football is discussed without nuance reminds me of politics now. The Overton window has shifted, and if you aren’t playing pragmatically you’re naive. And everyone just likes to have the most certain, definitive takes that prove they’re in the right camp now.

It may or may not work for Ange at Forest, but the disrespect never ceases to amaze me.
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I think this is on-point.
I have laughed at some of the banter admittedly, however you're right, the discussions about him absolutely reflect in the same way political discourse seems to have gone.
I further agree that criticism is always fair, but ridicule without context? Never a good thing.

What a time to be a-fudging-live...
 
tommysvr said:
The first manager to win a cup in 17 years, first European trophy in 41 years and he's treated like this by Spurs fans. It's honestly so fudging embarrassing being associated many of the posters in this thread.

Similar to Brennan Johnson. In what other era would the winning manager and goal-scorer of a European cup final be so often ridiculed?
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And for balance, also the manager who gave us our worst ever Premier League season.,,I'm sure other managers in those 17 years could have won trophies if they just gave up being competitive in the league.
 
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