Rorschach
Fanny Walden
It is how your morals work. I am showing what terrorism really is. That is the comparison
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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)
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monkeybarry
Dimitar Berbatov
I'm genuinely really disappointed with this from you - this is beneath you. It's very clear that I haven't missed the point - but you know what, enlighten me if you think I have......
(Re the law. No, I'm not "hiding behind it" (and don't be so fudging condescending) - I'm adhering to it; that's how the social contract works. I personally don't like this law, and many others - but that's a limitation of living in a society based upon law.)
Silly McSilly Face
Terry Fenwick
It doesn't really work like that though because you'll be losing the income from fuel duty etc etc but you're pushing down on inflation and releasing money into the economy meaning people spend more, businesses might take on more staff. Productivity is what really drives revenue as most of your revenue will come from the core taxes that target economic activity - VAT, income tax and corporation tax.
monkeybarry
Dimitar Berbatov
Elaborate upon how this is to with my morals (and I suggest you make it good).....
Rorschach
Fanny Walden
Whatever mate. I am disappointed in you too. Very.
johnola
Vedran Corluka
The ANC were based in London.
thfcsteff
Vivian Woodward
(also @monkeybarry...and apologies if this seems like I'm sticking my nose in ) Chaps...two great postees here...don't let this happen!!! Exchange the details of opinions, you're both well well worth it IMO (plus it's a really interesting exchange in my humble opinion)...FWIW, these times are stretching us all to insane limits IMO...
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
They are a terrorist organisation as per the laws/policies of the country.
I happen to agree with the last para. based upon what is in the public domain; however, it has been mentioned that there are non public informations that point to something more dangerous.
But that's why I specifically said to disregard views about the designation - the designation is the designation, any challenges to that should be via judicial process.
So I can see no issue with anyone supporting Palestine Action being arrested - they are supporting a terrorist organisation.
If they want to support the cause of PA - do so.
But no-one can complain about being arrested for supporting the group itself.
And, much like the suffragette movement (who almost certainly would be prescribed if around today - they planted bombs if I remember correctly), it may turn out that those people supporting Palestine Action end up on the right side of history and me on the wrong side.
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The Suffragettes were terrorists - they even had the, *cough*, balls to call themselves terrorists!
Suffragette bombing and arson campaign - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
I said the law is awful and this is a protest against an unjust law. Have a read again if you like.
They put paint on a plane which could have been used to support an army that kills babies for fun.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
Throwing paint at a military plane in protest at genocide is not terrorism. It's criminal damage. It has nothing to do with terrorism. It's direct action in protest.
And the posters who seem to agree with the law here are the same ones who have struggled to find fault with Israel so im not surprised people with sympathies for a genocidal state can also support this ridiculous ban on PA.
And the posters who seem to agree with the law here are the same ones who have struggled to find fault with Israel so im not surprised people with sympathies for a genocidal state can also support this ridiculous ban on PA.
Grays_1890
Tommy Harmer
"More likely to be if you are a........"
spurspinter1
John Lacy
Seems odd that people are stating that putting paint on a plane is somehow an act of terrorism because that's what it's been called by the clowns in charge. Who gives a fudge? It was called a crime for Rosa Parkes to sit down on a bus, if you were transported back in time would you suddenly agree that it'd deserve jail time?
It gets sillier and sillier, 80 year olds who believe in a reasonable cause (the cause of being anti genocide) are getting labelled terrorists via showing solidarity - So bam, Margaret and Ken are terrorist supporters getting manhandled by police, a surprisingly development in retirement. Was the guy who ploughed a car into innocent onlookers at the Liverpool trophy parade labeled a terrorist? Thank GHod he didn't bring a paint gun and he only ran over a bunch of people.
Grays_1890
Tommy Harmer
Tremendous post
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
bullseye
kb 1984
Erik Edman
I agree with you that it's not terrorism but they should be charged with trespass, criminal damage & any other associated charges. No one should ever enter a military base without permission. Stand outside & protest as much as you want but enter at your own risk. If this happened on Military bases i have been on they could have been shot they are not places for civilians.
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LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
That's not under any dispute. They committed criminal damage. But they are not terrorists by any legal definition. Now we have to trust that the courts are fair and PA folk win their appeal.
And people who don't support civil disobedience expect when it suits their echo chamber need to check the mirror.
Not aimed at you @kb 1984
Rorschach
Fanny Walden
Don't get me started on that other paint-wielding villain who has been painting courthouses recently.
Rorschach
Fanny Walden
For me, one has to zoom out on the trajectory of travel here, and it is going in a worrying direction, in my opinion. The criminalisation of protest is an authoritarian move, as is this very inaccurate categorisation of some actions as terrorism when they patently are not. By all means, charge them with vandalism or whatever, but all these over-the-top responses are the thin edge of a dark wedge. These are powers that will be abused regularly by more nefarious actors. Why do you think Reform want to strip away your ECHR rights?
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
International law and human rights are in the bin for me now. We've seen base hypocrisy on the treatment of Russia and Israel respectively.
Palestinian lives do not matter as much as Ukrainian lives to the supposed world order post WW2.
Palestinian lives do not matter as much as Ukrainian lives to the supposed world order post WW2.
Baleforce
Mark Falco
I get what you are saying.
I think you are right.
I just think PA designation is 100% because it was an airbase.
Rorschach
Fanny Walden
Well, we'll see if it stands up to legal challenge. I understand that incursions into military bases must be viewed differently, but the terrorism designation is a crack you don't want to wedge open. It will not stop there.