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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)

Silly McSilly Face said:
This is one of Reforms big challenges. How do you go from basically a nothing protest party that nobody really cares about outside 1 or 2 issues to a serious political force. That includes having to find thousands of candidates in the space of a few years to contest every local and national election. They will need a far more robust vetting process than they have employed to date.
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They also don't seem to have any detail on their policies. Like Brexit it's being run on slogans and not actual ideas.
 
johnola said:
No that was us a few years ago.
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We haven't faced that issue yet. But we are facing it in the next 5 years if Labour don't bring big cuts back to the table. The big issue with France is the size of their budget deficit, which the UK also faces but the amount France has to cut is far higher and the impact of those cuts greater. Getting the cuts required through their Parliament is proving politically impossible. 1000016054.jpg
 
LutonSpurs said:
They also don't seem to have any detail on their policies. Like Brexit it's being run on slogans and not actual ideas.
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I mean they do have a 28 page policy document on their website, but in this day and age you don't capture the majority of people's imaginations or win elections on detail. You win on vision, message and confidence.
 
LutonSpurs said:
They also don't seem to have any detail on their policies. Like Brexit it's being run on slogans and not actual ideas.
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It seems pretty clear to me: a return to Victorian times (coal powered, huge social inequality, no women in public life, completely white, unchecked capitalism, no health & safety or workers rights, culturally sexless), run by Toad of Toad Hall
 
Gutter Boy said:
It seems pretty clear to me: a return to Victorian times (coal powered, huge social inequality, no women in public life, completely white, unchecked capitalism, no health & safety or workers rights, culturally sexless), run by Toad of Toad Hall
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"No women in public life" in the age of Queen Victoria?
 
LutonSpurs said:
I didn't say they weren't gonna win. But OK.
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I think they are a long way from that. I think there will be the kind of tactical voting against them we see in France but as with France their poll share will hand them a tonne of seats this time out, but i think the most likely outcome is Starmer clings on as head of an unstable coalition which cobble together 250 to 350 seats with Reform on about 200 to 300 seats. Rump tory party might have the final say ironically enough.

Saying they don't have detail behind their policies is unfair though: for example, they are the only party to address the primary current driver of inflation in this country: energy costs. Their current policy is to scrap VAT on energy bills, lower fuel duty to 20p a litre for domestic and commercial users and scrap "green taxes" on fossil production.
 
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Silly McSilly Face said:
I think they are a long way from that. I think there will be the kind of tactical voting against them we see in France but as with France their poll share will hand them a tonne of seats this time out, but i think the most likely outcome is Starmer clings on as head of an unstable coalition which cobble together 250 to 350 seats with Reform on about 200 to 300 seats. Rump tory party might have the final say ironically enough.

Saying they don't have detail behind their policies is unfair though: for example, they are the only party to address the primary current driver of inflation in this country: energy costs. Their current policy is to scrap VAT on energy bills, lower fuel duty to 20p a litre for domestic and commercial users and scrap "green taxes" on fossil production.
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So ramp up climate change, the big driver of immigration?

Stamer wont be leader next election, he's never had any intention of doing a second term (he's too old). It will be Streeting or Burnham
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
I think they are a long way from that. I think there will be the kind of tactical voting against them we see in France but as with France their poll share will hand them a tonne of seats this time out, but i think the most likely outcome is Starmer clings on as head of an unstable coalition which cobble together 250 to 350 seats with Reform on about 200 to 300 seats. Rump tory party might have the final say ironically enough.

Saying they don't have detail behind their policies is unfair though: for example, they are the only party to address the primary current driver of inflation in this country: energy costs. Their current policy is to scrap VAT on energy bills, lower fuel duty to 20p a litre for domestic and commercial users and scrap "green taxes" on fossil production.
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They literally don't have detail about their stop the boats policy. Their man thing.
 
LutonSpurs said:
They literally don't have detail about their stop the boats policy. Their man thing.
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He even admitted in public he didn't have details on alot of his policy.

You can have as big a policy book as you like but if its A) Rubbish or B) You don't know it, you are going to get caught out.

3 years is a long time and I think they have huge issues ahead, scrutiny is only going to ramp up
 
Grays_1890 said:
He even admitted in public he didn't have details on alot of his policy.

You can have as big a policy book as you like but if its A) Rubbish or B) You don't know it, you are going to get caught out.

3 years is a long time and I think they have huge issues ahead, scrutiny is only going to ramp up
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And if they do get in power (highly likely) we won't have the luxury of schadenfreude. Things will be really hard for all but the very well off.
 
LutonSpurs said:
They literally don't have detail about their stop the boats policy. Their man thing.
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He's going to stop the boats within two weeks after being elected.



Then row back on that later on a platform that probably gets less attention/exposure. But the original message has been sown.

It's just the same old Trump 'ill stop the war on day one ' gonads'
 
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