He gets singled out in a lot of games even when he plays well. He deserves criticism for yesterday, it's the only poor game he's had all season yet he is constantly being made a spacegoat.Dier isn't being singled out, you just take criticism of him personally for some reason. Our defense is poor, Dier is part of that - beyond Romero they can all be upgraded on.
He gets singled out in a lot of games even when he plays well. He deserves criticism for yesterday, it's the only poor game he's had all season yet he is constantly being made a spacegoat.
Dier isn't being singled out, you just take criticism of him personally for some reason. Our defense is poor, Dier is part of that - beyond Romero they all have nassive flaws in their game and can all be upgraded on.
If you don’t mind mate, I’d like to correct what you said. I accept criticism of mistakes, his included and he has made a few over the last two games. What I won’t accept is how every mistake leads to a roll-out of the same opinions on his ‘not being good enough’, etc. It isn’t personal on my part, it is reactive.
In a slight tangent, why do you think this same defense had 8 clean sheets out of 13 to finish last season? Upgrades can most certainly be had, but to call them ‘poor’ misses the mark for me. Against Poocash, both goals stemmed from Lloris errors, albeit the second did also involve some terrible ‘defending’ by Sess and Lenglet getting his position all wrong and thus being roasted.
If you don’t mind mate, I’d like to correct what you said. I accept criticism of mistakes, his included and he has made a few over the last two games. What I won’t accept is how every mistake leads to a roll-out of the same opinions on his ‘not being good enough’, etc. It isn’t personal on my part, it is reactive.
In a slight tangent, why do you think this same defense had 8 clean sheets out of 13 to finish last season? Upgrades can most certainly be had, but to call them ‘poor’ misses the mark for me. Against Poocash, both goals stemmed from Lloris errors, albeit the second did also involve some terrible ‘defending’ by Sess and Lenglet getting his position all wrong and thus being roasted.
I've personally never thought Dier good enough. I see him make positional mistakes most games and his decision making is strange in key moments. I do believe the system makes the best use of him as it maximises his strengths and minimises his weaknesses by offering cover in behind. So for some one like myself Dier isn't really being singled out anymore than usual, he's just doing the things he always does, it's just that in the last few games it has cost us more than usual.
I can't remember if it was you I said it to earlier this season but pur defense really is nothing special. We pack a lot of players in when defending, we make it difficult for the opposition to find the space to shoot but that's just a byproduct of often having 8 players in and around our box.
I do believe Conte sees it the same way, if he had more trust in his defenders being able to handle situations one on one then we wouldn't sit so deep as our go to defensive action. That's not how Chelsea, Inter or Juve played. Yes they did use deep blocks at times but it wasn't their standard go to.
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He gets singled out in a lot of games even when he plays well. He deserves criticism for yesterday, it's the only poor game he's had all season yet he is constantly being made a spacegoat.
Let’s remember he is still young - remember how long it took walker to get to his level - and hopefully he will improve with us. Him and Udogie could be good as rotation options.Id say he’s had more than one bad game but on the whole I agree he’s been fine this season. I’m just not sure if “fine” is good enough to challenge for trophies. He can be upgraded on. It’s not being harsh to state that IMO.
Let’s remember he is still young - remember how long it took walker to get to his level - and hopefully he will improve with us. Him and Udogie could be good as rotation options.
And I remember how unpopular Danny Rose was on here before Poch got hold of him. Wing back is the hardest position to play in. Very few can both attack and defend well, most seem to do one or the other.Let’s remember he is still young - remember how long it took walker to get to his level - and hopefully he will improve with us. Him and Udogie could be good as rotation options.
Let’s remember he is still young - remember how long it took walker to get to his level - and hopefully he will improve with us. Him and Udogie could be good as rotation options.
I've personally never thought Dier good enough. I see him make positional mistakes most games and his decision making is strange in key moments. I do believe the system makes the best use of him as it maximises his strengths and minimises his weaknesses by offering cover in behind. So for some one like myself Dier isn't really being singled out anymore than usual, he's just doing the things he always does, it's just that in the last few games it has cost us more than usual.
I can't remember if it was you I said it to earlier this season but pur defense really is nothing special. We pack a lot of players in when defending, we make it difficult for the opposition to find the space to shoot but that's just a byproduct of often having 8 players in and around our box.
I do believe Conte sees it the same way, if he had more trust in his defenders being able to handle situations one on one then we wouldn't sit so deep as our go to defensive action. That's not how Chelsea, Inter or Juve played. Yes they did use deep blocks at times but it wasn't their standard go to.
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Good post. If Conte thought our CB’s were good enough then he might be more willing to play a back four and/or play a less defensive formation. Dier played in a back four under Jose and it didn’t work. Not all his fault, but individually he wasn’t cut out for it despite it being his preferred position. His distribution will always be an issue. For the most part he’s been fine this season. The question is, is fine good enough? For top 4 yes. For challenging for the title I would say no personally. I’d sell Sanchez and use whatever funds we get from his sale to fund another first choice CB to replace Dier.
Because Conte is a good defensive manager/coach and will set his teams up to best protect the clean sheet first and foremost, that means us being extra conservative to cover for the lack of talent in the back 5.
I'm not singling him out, Lloris made errors as did Lenglet, they all do far too often and between them their ability on the ball is absolutely shocking. If not always directly leading to goals it invites pressure and gives incentive to the opposition - I'd be surprised if there was a worse set of defenders in the league wrt to on the ball ability
NopeI simply don't think this is true. I might well be wrong of course, but has he ever successfully deployed a 4 man defense? Maybe at Juventus? I cannot remember...
I simply don't think this is true. I might well be wrong of course, but has he ever successfully deployed a 4 man defense? Maybe at Juventus? I cannot remember...
Positioning, off the ball runs, touch, vision. His execution has let him down a little with some of his crossing but he has also delivered a number of good crosses and key passes. I think the main thing lacking from his game is arrogance and nastiness. He needs to believe that he belongs in this group and also become more cynical in his play (i.e. just rugby tackling Almiron once he was wrong side and he was running reasonably centrally at our LCB close the edge of our box).I've not seen too much recently that lends anything to the fact that he is an attacking player
Too nervous, too weak for me
Who were his 3 at the back at Chelsea (I genuinely can't remember?) were at least 2 of them good on the ball?He used it at Chelsea before they took a pasting against the goons then switched to a back three as Bedford said. He clearly felt they needed more protection and I imagine he feels the same with our collection of CB’s. It means we lose a body in midfield or elsewhere in the pitch. Couldn’t tell you what system he used at Inter to be fair. Probably fair to say he’s more likely to switch to a back four if he had better CB’s. It also means we have to use wasters like Sanchez when we play a back three.