• Dear Guest, Please note that adult content is not permitted on this forum. We have had our Google ads disabled at times due to some posts that were found from some time ago. Please do not post adult content and if you see any already on the forum, please report the post so that we can deal with it. Adult content is allowed in the glory hole - you will have to request permission to access it. Thanks, scara

Jose Mourinho - SACKED

I just made the point to someone in work that the contract rebel situation is the same as it was. Needs sorting asap. Will Jose play them or not? Still lots of indecision imo that wont be cleared up overnight.

With regard to the wantaways,Jose made it perfectly clear that he is only interested in players who are committed to the club. An early and frank conversation with each of them will soon sort that out. They are given a simple choice. Either sign a new contract now or you are not part of my squad. It's called real management.
 
Well, nothing to do with Jose - but IMO simply changing manager kicks the can down the road somewhat. The new guy now gets to give them a chance, allow them to turn around their form/attitude and contribute, and then decide how that goes. A new guy also gets to make examples of them to assert himself.

So I think its a bit of a do over - and expect them to play, and be judged, and we'll see how it goes.

Though with Jose specifically, I also expect ruthless demand and judgement.

If Eriksen fannies about for him like he has been all season, we wont be seeing much of him...



He said a few things I liked.

He didnt pretend to be a new man. He said he had grown, tried to mature etc - but certain principles will always remain. Those of winning, and hating losing as you say. And thats certainly not an attitude I mind having around.

I think that he made a point about using youth is important. Its clear its been in the talks on his way in. And I think its important for Spurs.

I like that he made the point of respecting the club and its ways, I assume to allude to things like youth and style.

I thought it was entirely right he praised Poch (and he didnt need to), but also the good work he has done over the last 5 years - and that he plans to build on it, not tear it up.

There was plenty he said that came across really well, IMO.

Of course, the proof is in the pudding...

I agree he said all the right things. It’s just a shame (for me) that he still looks and sounds like the same old dour, arrogant Mourinho when he said them! It’s hard for me to turn off 10-15 years of hatred. I honestly think winning major trophies under him would feel bittersweet for me.

Oh well, I’m at least intrigued to see how it all pans out!
 
I agree he said all the right things. It’s just a shame (for me) that he still looks and sounds like the same old dour, arrogant Mourinho when he said them! It’s hard for me to turn off 10-15 years of hatred. I honestly think winning major trophies under him would feel bittersweet for me.

Oh well, I’m at least intrigued to see how it all pans out!


I actually like Jose, he's that edgy mate we all have, the one where on a night out with him you don't know if it will be an amazing night, a night in cell's, A&E or all three.
Having said that I wouldn't want him shagging my sister.
 
With regard to the wantaways,Jose made it perfectly clear that he is only interested in players who are committed to the club. An early and frank conversation with each of them will soon sort that out. They are given a simple choice. Either sign a new contract now or you are not part of my squad. It's called real management.
Think he also said it's his job to convince players this is where they should be.
 
Let's face it fellas Jose is a winner and we are longing to win.

But we have to face the other reality, although amazingly charming and can speak so well, he has plenty of form of behaving like a ding dong. It would be a massive surprise if he doesn't again, that just him. And I mean that towards our club and players...he can ding dong all he likes to other clubs players officials .

I'm obviously worried about the match up with Levy. It doesn't appear a great match BUT levy is going to spend more, as the percentage of income goes up the percentage of expenditure will grow as well. And perhaps the two will respect each other as massively intelligent men in their chosen field?

Let's say Jose does his usual 3 seasons. I'm a bit worried that this season may take the sorting out of the problems and squad rejiggle...next will (probably) be CLless and we're then onto the third season already? I suppose there's still trophies to be won in those times and Jose does target them all.

No doubt, he can be abrasive, he has an edge to him and in many ways that edge, that inflexibility to anything that he sees that stands in the way of winning is what has made him successful.

I do think lots has changed for him and Spurs is a different thing. I'll make two points here, at United he lived out of a hotel, not with his family (who is in London and quite settled), the number one reason people who move for jobs fail is family dissatisfaction (not saying that's why he did at United, but no doubt it didn't help). The second is he does have that outsider thing based on his background, despite all the success did he really "belong" at the two elite clubs in the world and I think he felt enormous pressure to "prove" something at Madrid and United (and the more he didn't, the more frustrated he got). I don't think he has any of that pressure at Spurs, we are not above him, 2nd in league and domestic cups would be fantastic achievements and seen as such.

Re Levy I'm not as worried as most, there are no surprises here, they have known each other and each others reputation for over a decade, it's not their first dance and they both are smart as fudge. The reported interaction is Jose was very impressed by Lsvy's vision (and the detail it went into), and Levy was impressed with Jose's vew, plan, etc.

It can always go tits up, and probably will at some point, but said it earlier, this is one of those gambles that if it works, the upside is almost limitless.
 
No doubt, he can be abrasive, he has an edge to him and in many ways that edge, that inflexibility to anything that he sees that stands in the way of winning is what has made him successful.

I do think lots has changed for him and Spurs is a different thing. I'll make two points here, at United he lived out of a hotel, not with his family (who is in London and quite settled), the number one reason people who move for jobs fail is family dissatisfaction (not saying that's why he did at United, but no doubt it didn't help). The second is he does have that outsider thing based on his background, despite all the success did he really "belong" at the two elite clubs in the world and I think he felt enormous pressure to "prove" something at Madrid and United (and the more he didn't, the more frustrated he got). I don't think he has any of that pressure at Spurs, we are not above him, 2nd in league and domestic cups would be fantastic achievements and seen as such.

Re Levy I'm not as worried as most, there are no surprises here, they have known each other and each others reputation for over a decade, it's not their first dance and they both are smart as fudge. The reported interaction is Jose was very impressed by Lsvy's vision (and the detail it went into), and Levy was impressed with Jose's vew, plan, etc.

It can always go tits up, and probably will at some point, but said it earlier, this is one of those gambles that if it works, the upside is almost limitless.

he didn’t behave like a ding dong at Chelsea first time or inter

he barely did at Madrid and that’s a basket case of a club

Back at Chelsea who were now a truly bigger club off the back of the work he did before he has tow top seasons and won the league.. then the players fell out with him and he was gone. Those players won the league under Conte and the same happened the year after

At United he really really did inherit a bag of brick (people should look at that squad) and he invested in players of whom some didn’t work (I do wonder who wanted Bailly as he has played like 30 games at the point of signing). Despite the negativity there he had them performing results wise at a level better than they had achieved in some time when they finished 2nd. They had enough points to win 5 titles based on previous history... but the football was very very dull
 
Telegraph

Jose Mourinho needs to prove himself all over again at Spurs - and that makes him dangerous
Jose Mourinho is in unfamiliar territory at Tottenham Hotspur. For the first time in his career he must persuade a sceptical audience he is a better fit for his new club than the manager he replaced.

To be blunt, many Spurs fans would have preferred to keep Mauricio Pochettino than hire Mourinho. He has never encountered such negativity upon his arrival.

Wherever Mourinho travelled previously - Chelsea, Inter Milan, Real Madrid and Manchester United - his appointment brought jubilation. Those clubs wanted and needed him as much as he needed them.

He was the charismatic coach vying initially with Sir Alex Ferguson and then Pep Guardiola to be considered the best in the world - and one of the greatest of all time. He had his choice of elite clubs.

Perhaps there was more concern at Old Trafford as to whether he suited the club’s values. No-one doubted his capacity to collect trophies.

The world changed for Mourinho after his United exit. The aura is not gone, but it is damaged.

The manager who received the call from Daniel Levy had fewer options to get back into top-level football, the acrimony at the clubs he left earning as much attention as his Premier League and Champions League wins. History tells us wherever Mourinho goes, an initial upsurge and trophy haul - accompanied by highly entertaining press conferences - is followed by deterioration and confrontation.

Mourinho’s presence dominates a football club - for better when he is leading his side to titles, for worse when tensions materialise and have a debilitating impact. His man-management of players has also been questioned.

I recall a conversation with Mourinho just after his second spell at Chelsea ended, when he lamented some modern players' mentality, many rendering the manager powerless to criticise them in front of teammates as they would wilt and complain to agents, owners or journalists. He acknowledged the need to tread carefully. There was little evidence he could change when he lost patience with players at Manchester United.

Having promised to get more out of those he has inherited rather than buy new players, Mourinho must adapt at Spurs. He seemed to acknowledge as much during Thursday’s press conference.

Mourinho has a reputation for needing to spend big to bring success. He received huge financial backing at Chelsea, Madrid and Old Trafford. For him to take on the challenge of improving an under-performing team knowing there will be no money to spend in January, and any other funds down the line will not compare to his Premier League rivals, is different to recent assignments. It makes it more exciting.

When Mourinho came face-to-face with Levy, I am convinced he must have said, ‘I can win with this squad’.

It feels like Mourinho pursued this job not only to satisfy his craving to get back on the training pitch, but to remind everyone what an outstanding coach he is - and show that he is as capable of improving players as signing them.

Towards the end at Manchester United, Mourinho was compared unfavourably to his Premier League peers Guardiola, Jurgen Klopp and - ironically enough - Pochettino.

There is a perception that football is now all about high pressing - attacking teams representing the modern way, while coaches who prefer a more compact, pragmatic style are - for want of a better phrase - ‘yesterday’s men’.

Mourinho identified this with his comment a few years ago.

“There are lots of poets in football. Poets don’t win titles,” he said.

It was presumed Pochettino was one of the ‘poets’ he was referring to. Evidently, the constant sniping at Mourinho’s track record - that he was not a developer and his successful teams were not so attractive - has stung.

He is right to say such negative appraisals of his footballing style are nonsense. He has always been - and continues to be - one of the shrewdest football strategists of his generation.

I have a particular loathing for the growing trend to declare a ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ way to win a football match. What separates the best from the rest is their ability to apply and evolve existing ideas through their ability and the capabilities of the players in their squad.

Guardiola’s style was heavily influenced by Johan Cruyff, who in turn was educated by the ‘Total Football’ Dutch maestros of the 1970s.

Pochettino is a student of Marcelo Bielsa.

By his own admission, Klopp’s mentor at Mainz was Wolfgang Frank, who indoctrinated Liverpool’s coach with the high-pressing game 20 years ago which, at the moment, it seems every aspiring young coach wants to replicate.

Whether a style is deemed old-fashioned or modern is based on which clubs are most successful at the time. In the Premier League, the Emirates Marketing Project and Liverpool way is dominating. At international level, France’s World Cup winners are closer to Mourinho in philosophy than Guardiola.

A team playing with the discipline, desire and application of Mourinho’s best Chelsea side is as impressive and riveting to watch as any.

Football is about winning, and although I do not agree with the decision to sack Pochettino, ultimately, that is what cost him his job. If Mourinho is successful at Spurs, there will be no valid complaints about how he does it.

Even those Spurs supporters who are not so enthusiastic about Mourinho must privately acknowledge the prospect of their side becoming a less fragile, more streetwise and belligerent side is appealing.

Mourinho is certainly different to Pochettino, but too often the word ‘different’ is misinterpreted to mean better or worse. Spurs will become more defensive, but let’s stop saying that is negative. The most important player for Mourinho will be Harry Kane. He will shape his side around the quality of Kane in the same way Didier Drogba and Diego Costa flourished at Stamford Bridge. When I think of Mourinho’s greatest Chelsea team, Drogba, Frank Lampard and Arjen Robben were as influential as John Terry and Claude Makelele. I have often stated Mourinho’s Chelsea side are the most physically and tactically tough team I faced. You had to go to war against them, and beneath the competitiveness of those games there was only admiration.

After last year’s Champions League final, it felt like the beginning of the end for this Spurs side. They were close to winning major honours domestically and in Europe but were unable to make that final step. While Liverpool and Emirates Marketing Project strengthened, Pochettino was working with the same spine for four years. That is why I have sympathy for the outgoing coach.

The choice for Levy was to back his manager and rebuild, or recruit the man he believed capable of ensuring this era is not remembered for the greatest Spurs side never to win a trophy.

In appointing Mourinho he has opted for the latter, a calculated gamble to delay the reshaping of the squad for another two years in the belief silverware will be delivered.

Mourinho has always been appointed for the here and now, not long-term.

That he managed to convince Levy he can get more out of a talented squad without demanding millions to rebuild leads me to this conclusion; Mourinho has reached a point in his career where he needed and craved Spurs more than they needed him.

He is accustomed to doubters at the end of his reign, never at the start. Refreshed, focused and hungry, this might make him as dangerous as he has been since he first came to England.
 
Not sure it's the same (remains unresolved).

Assuming we are talking about Jan, Toby, Eriksen, Rose

- Jan I think is resolved if Jose wants him, Jan never had a problem with Spurs, this season it seemed a problem with Poch
- Toby and Eriksen are the same, bad advice backed them in a corner and the clubs expected to come in and get them never materialized. Jose has actually wanted both of them in the past. They have a get out of the corner pass if they want it.
- Rose is probably at the end of his rope, not discplined enough defensively for Jose, his PR is constant irritation for the club and he has tried to leave in past. The only conversation here will be take the next offer because unlike Poch we won't play you if you are not committed.

Said it before, could see Jan and Toby doing 1 or 2 year extensions, Eriksen and Rose leaving. Jose may chose to have a conversation with Eriksen to give a shot of doing a "Modric style" last year.

Mourinho has supposedly been quite outspoken in his criticism of Eriksen while working as a pundit.

Personally i want him out the door asap
 

I know! I generally find him one of the absolute worst pundits, and also one of the most dislikable - but I have to say I think its a fair piece he has written for the most part.

Im assuming its written by someone on his behalf and he just stuck his name on it!


Mourinho has supposedly been quite outspoken in his criticism of Eriksen while working as a pundit.

Personally i want him out the door asap

Mourinho or Eriksen!? :D
 
I know! I generally find him one of the absolute worst pundits, and also one of the most dislikable - but I have to say I think its a fair piece he has written for the most part.

Im assuming its written by someone on his behalf and he just stuck his name on it!




Mourinho or Eriksen!? :D

Haha take your pick


Nah after the initial disappointment i can see the potential for it to be a good/great appointment.
 
I think we'll win a cup this year. Wouldn't be surprised if we focus heavily on the EL if we're in it (it would be a bonus to be 3rd in our CL group) - especially as the prize is CL qualification.
There is no way we're not beating the bubbles on Tuesday night and qualifying
 
I know! I generally find him one of the absolute worst pundits, and also one of the most dislikable - but I have to say I think its a fair piece he has written for the most part.

Im assuming its written by someone on his behalf and he just stuck his name on it!

If I had my way he'd be stacking shelves at Sainsbury's, during the night shift of course!
I loathe the guy.
do I have to read it? :(
 
Back