Mikey10
Pat van den Hauwe
Fine for me, mate.
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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked
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Fine for me, mate.
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
Was Janssen foistered? Was Nkoudou? Was Sissoko? Was Aurier?
Then we could ask, was Chadli, was Eriksen, was Lamela, was Townsend, was Kane?
You could go on, but bottom line is that he hasn't just come into the job in the last few months...this is undoubtedly largely HIS squad now...
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
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superfaisty
Nico Claesen
The problem for poch is it’s his favourites that are letting the team down now and I struggle to believe he’ll have the balls to change up now. He is more of a people manager than a tactics manager and unfortunately he’s been found out when the players he has flogged to death refuse to sweat more blood and tears for him.
What the fudge has Moura ever done to Poch to not get more game time?!?!
Poch has an international break to change up or walk away- today’s team effort does not bode well for any manager.
I still rate him but I don’t think he’s got it in him to turn this rotten shower around. He talks about being brave but apart from sticking to a system that isn’t working or picking players out of form I struggle to see his bravery. Don’t get me wrong I’ll still remember him fondly for what he’s done for us but it’s clear he can’t jeep this team at that level let alone take us towards trophies.
What the fudge has Moura ever done to Poch to not get more game time?!?!
Poch has an international break to change up or walk away- today’s team effort does not bode well for any manager.
I still rate him but I don’t think he’s got it in him to turn this rotten shower around. He talks about being brave but apart from sticking to a system that isn’t working or picking players out of form I struggle to see his bravery. Don’t get me wrong I’ll still remember him fondly for what he’s done for us but it’s clear he can’t jeep this team at that level let alone take us towards trophies.
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
I still want to know:
- why we cannot tackle or engage the opposition player AT ALL now?
- why did Lamela not play either last Saturday vs Soton or midweek vs Bayern?
- Why did Alli start vs Bayern when he's been returning from injury (or brick if you prefer) and played a full game in that embarrassment that was the Colchester game?
- why we cannot tackle or engage the opposition player AT ALL now?
- why did Lamela not play either last Saturday vs Soton or midweek vs Bayern?
- Why did Alli start vs Bayern when he's been returning from injury (or brick if you prefer) and played a full game in that embarrassment that was the Colchester game?
glorygloryeze
Ian Walker
Flogged to death indeed...
It's the main reason i can think of that even after the debacle that was the Bayern game, we played arguable even worse today.
The minds were willing but the bodies simply not able (and haven't been for a while....)
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
The "busted flush" list is starting to resemble the "old guard" who most certainly hold more clout in the dressing room than others. Think about it; we built our system of play through Eriksen. Aurier, although newer to the group, was a total gamble from the start given his overall rep, and it appears he hasn't changed. Alderweireld -who I have quietly complained about for a year and a half- is a powerful presence who fudged us about two seasons ago. As for Dier, it pains me to number him because I genuinely wanted him to be our skipper for a long time, but he is simply not the player he was. Davies is just average, and we need better than that. Dele is on a knife's edge; he can go on to be an incredible world class talent but he has to want it.
Now, think about the influence those players have held/hold in the dressing room. It is no coincidence to me that Poch has not thrown Skipp in there right now; he is protecting him. Ditto Parrott. Why (IMO)? Because the seniors in that list are not up to marshaling them through. Jan, Kane and to an extent Lloris are the only seniors I fully trust, and I perversely believe that Rose would too as he has given everything for us whenever he has played this season.
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
If he was sacked immediately I'd be disgusted.
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
Well, he didn't buy Shagger Chadli, or Eriksen, or Lamela. Janssen was an "option", Nkoudou was "an option" and remember, Mane was wanted, we wouldn't pay reportedly, and we ended with NJie who was considered "an option"...Aurier? "An option." This is why Poch spoke of "being brave" and only getting top level or no level; I suspect even he didn't quite expect it to mean no-one for 18 months!
I think we should've get Lo Celso in EARLY! Like NDombele. We need to listen to what he's asked for and what he wants.
afsoc4life
Vedran Corluka
I don't know the story. I don't know what is happening. Spurs can't afford to bury its head in the sand and pretend nothing is wrong. Something is very wrong at the club. I trust Levy now to get to the bottom of it. I felt uncomfortable when I heard fans saying that there are no players to challenge the current Spurs squad in attack especially. Perhaps the players no longer buy into Pochettino's ideology. Perhaps the players and manager are not hungry to win as before. Perhaps their bodies have had enough even though the spirit is willing. Perhaps other clubs have seen our weak point which still remains the offensive press against our defence especially now that there is no one apart from Sissoko who can break a press. No matter the reason, at the end of the day if this isn't sorted out - the fans, club staff and the chairman will lose out. The manager and players will simply walk away or ask to play for another club. Levy it is up to you now.
afsoc4life
Vedran Corluka
Interesting recall that Pochettino wanted a small squad. Note that we have accused Levy in the past of selling Spurs gems. Pochettino's wants are not perfect. He wanted rid of Paul Mitchell - Levy granted it. He wanted Sissoko - Levy granted it. Those players from the French League - he was one of the triumvirate that approved them. At times we don't get what we want. But you have to work with the hands you are given. I can accept excuses for losing to Bayern or other top clubs. There is no excuse for the losses to Saudi Sportswashing Machine at home, Colchester away .. no excuse. Even in our worse days, we used to at least give our all and that was with Andy Reid who was less fit than Ndombele.
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
Has anyone actually said that
I said at the time we didn’t buy anyone their was no one sold that subdue who was better than we had other than ronaldo. I stand by that from memory
Is that healthy for a club.... probably not
Does anyone seriously believe another manager would walk in and get these guys playing again? They won’t imo.
There are too many that don’t want it (with us) now.
I now see us as similar to Chelsea. We are at the start of a painful rebuild. Lampard has been given the keys to Stamford Bridge to perform the rebuild. The newer players are hungry (Tammy, Mount, Tomori, RLC, CHO) and are being supported properly by the remaining seniors (Kante, Willian, Azp, etc).
There’s an acceptance there that it’s a rebuilding phase. Everyone is wrapping their arms round Lampard and letting him do his thing.
Why would we get rid of Poch rather than letting him do the same at Spurs, I’d say we need him now more then ever.
If you had a vacancy and had the pick of all the managers in the world and said, “right we are going to bin off the senior players that don’t want to be here. You’ll be left with some very good senior players (Kane, Dele, Son, Lamela, Sissoko, Winks, Moura) and you will have some youngsters to bring on, (Sanchez, Foyth, Ndom, GLC, Parrott, Skipp) and we will also support you with a cluster of decent signings” - there would not be many names above Poch that you would want to come in and do that.
Time to suck it I’m afraid, let Poch get rid of the unwanted and let him build around what’s left. No one will know better which players to keep or lose. It will be a tough season, but others have had to do it (Chel, Arse, Man U) and you never know - it might be enjoyable seeing new faces come in and develop.
There are too many that don’t want it (with us) now.
I now see us as similar to Chelsea. We are at the start of a painful rebuild. Lampard has been given the keys to Stamford Bridge to perform the rebuild. The newer players are hungry (Tammy, Mount, Tomori, RLC, CHO) and are being supported properly by the remaining seniors (Kante, Willian, Azp, etc).
There’s an acceptance there that it’s a rebuilding phase. Everyone is wrapping their arms round Lampard and letting him do his thing.
Why would we get rid of Poch rather than letting him do the same at Spurs, I’d say we need him now more then ever.
If you had a vacancy and had the pick of all the managers in the world and said, “right we are going to bin off the senior players that don’t want to be here. You’ll be left with some very good senior players (Kane, Dele, Son, Lamela, Sissoko, Winks, Moura) and you will have some youngsters to bring on, (Sanchez, Foyth, Ndom, GLC, Parrott, Skipp) and we will also support you with a cluster of decent signings” - there would not be many names above Poch that you would want to come in and do that.
Time to suck it I’m afraid, let Poch get rid of the unwanted and let him build around what’s left. No one will know better which players to keep or lose. It will be a tough season, but others have had to do it (Chel, Arse, Man U) and you never know - it might be enjoyable seeing new faces come in and develop.
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
Mitchell reportedly threw a massive strop because of Mane and another. I am not sure Poch ever wanted him gone. As for Sissoko, I don't remember Poch wanting him from the get-go, I remember him being available and I remember us buying him at the last possible second on deadline day - something Poch has always said is unhelpful as it then leaves him no time to bed the player in before the season starts. And where is the notion that he is giving "excuses"? He is protecting what little is left of the squad spirit. As a good manager would. Some of the seniors need to start fudging showing up! It is not all on Poch by a way long shot...
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Funny you mention Chelsea, those players were able to turn it back on with a new manager a few times.
I DO think a new manager will can get them playing again.
Perhaps the issue is Poch. And not them being 'done with us'?
Perhaps they are in need of stimulation, new ideas and methods, and things are simply stale under Poch?
I DO think a new manager will can get them playing again.
Perhaps the issue is Poch. And not them being 'done with us'?
Perhaps they are in need of stimulation, new ideas and methods, and things are simply stale under Poch?
Fair shout on Chelsea - particularly Hazard who disappeared completely until a new manager came in.
Several of ours will be gone anyway won’t they. Erisksen, Toby, maybe Jan, Wanyama. Do you see anyone who looks set to leave actually wanting to stay if a new manager came in?
nayimfromthehalfwayline
Andy Thompson
Jan's the only one for me, I'd give him a contract. Think he's been the best of the renegade bunch.
You have to think as well though, all the other lads getting their verve back - we could tear this league up with a well organised and motivated side - before ANY transfers
Well if you saw what SteveAWOL posted from MOTD about the fact from 14-15 season we still had 8 or so players in our squad now, whereas Liverpool only have 2 and Emirates Marketing Project 3.
That’s a massive indication about the inevitability of things going stale - especially when we don’t win any trophies. The players have been giving 110% for years now and have nothing to show for it, whilst watching their mates winning medals season after season. There’s going to be a point where they question all the effort being out in with no end result and inevitably down tools and that doesn’t have to be an intentional thing but a sub conscious aspect.
There was a lot of nonsense posted on here about what a successful transfer window we had when we signed no one because we’d managed to keep all our players, when in reality it’s set us back....
That’s a massive indication about the inevitability of things going stale - especially when we don’t win any trophies. The players have been giving 110% for years now and have nothing to show for it, whilst watching their mates winning medals season after season. There’s going to be a point where they question all the effort being out in with no end result and inevitably down tools and that doesn’t have to be an intentional thing but a sub conscious aspect.
There was a lot of nonsense posted on here about what a successful transfer window we had when we signed no one because we’d managed to keep all our players, when in reality it’s set us back....
Hashegotthesackyet?
Alan Hutton
Exactly my thoughts too.
Mikey10
Pat van den Hauwe
Lamela’s lack of pressing was highlighted last night on MOTD as being a major contributory factor to the shambles of the first goal. They showed him failing to press on other occasions too.
Levy can’t do anything (other than sack Poch) for 3 months and the opening of the next window. We could be out of the CL and in a serious relegation battle by then. I think that means it’s up to Poch much more than it’s up to Levy.
Yes.
We have a very good squad of players. They appear to have stopped listening to the manager Some of them (including those who have been offered lucrative new contracts) want to leave - which may be down to them having grown tired of the present manager, his strange statements to the press, his training methods, and his questionable in-game management of late. If they’re unwilling to up their games, a new manager may have the balls to bin those characters off into the reserves, rather than playing them in a way which suggests there is no ability to develop an alternative plan.