• Dear Guest, Please note that adult content is not permitted on this forum. We have had our Google ads disabled at times due to some posts that were found from some time ago. Please do not post adult content and if you see any already on the forum, please report the post so that we can deal with it. Adult content is allowed in the glory hole - you will have to request permission to access it. Thanks, scara

Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked

I think @BrainOfLevy had this one down - we/he are in a place where we are demanding higher standards from the players - 3 seasons on the bounce in the top 4 and we can no longer view ourselves as plucky outsiders, or more so give off the impression that is how we see ourselves

I think it that, alongside Poch thinking that some drift has / could be setting in to the squad because there were no signings. Like he feels he has to do something to keep the standards up. The concerning thing is when it doesn’t work, we can get into a real negative spiral. If he makes high demands and he succeeds in getting it, he looks great. If the players don’t rise to it, we can get worse and worse. I think this is unchartered territory for him. I still back the guy 1million% but it will be interesting to see how we do this season. He did make a thing of needing signings in the summer we got Sanchez because he wanted to see good competition. So we know it’s something he thinks.

Also I’m really surprised he felt the need to nudge Winks publicly as well...it wasn’t the hardest rebuke ever but I thought Winks would have been the last young player that would get distracted by anything over than the game on the pitch. The fact that he felt the need just leads me to think that Poch thinks there is something up with the squad. Too many distractions, whether it’s bad like Lloris issues or good like Son’s military service exemption...there’s just a lot going on for a squad that is usually so focussed on a single, collective objective. When you layer on that Toby, Rose, Dembele and Wanyama may well know this is their last season with us, I’m actually a little worried. We have lost the thing that made us so good, and I don’t know that Poch will get a tune out of these disparate parts in time for us to have a successful season.

Lots of distractions...lots of individual concerns.
 
People: we're still only five games in. FIVE GAMES.
I think it that, alongside Poch thinking that some drift has / could be setting in to the squad because there were no signings. Like he feels he has to do something to keep the standards up. The concerning thing is when it doesn’t work, we can get into a real negative spiral. If he makes high demands and he succeeds in getting it, he looks great. If the players don’t rise to it, we can get worse and worse. I think this is unchartered territory for him. I still back the guy 1million% but it will be interesting to see how we do this season. He did make a thing of needing signings in the summer we got Sanchez because he wanted to see good competition. So we know it’s something he thinks.

Also I’m really surprised he felt the need to nudge Winks publicly as well...it wasn’t the hardest rebuke ever but I thought Winks would have been the last young player that would get distracted by anything over than the game on the pitch. The fact that he felt the need just leads me to think that Poch thinks there is something up with the squad. Too many distractions, whether it’s bad like Lloris issues or good like Son’s military service exemption...there’s just a lot going on for a squad that is usually so focussed on a single, collective objective. When you layer on that Toby, Rose, Dembele and Wanyama may well know this is their last season with us, I’m actually a little worried. We have lost the thing that made us so good, and I don’t know that Poch will get a tune out of these disparate parts in time for us to have a successful season.

Lots of distractions...lots of individual concerns.
Sounds to me like you may be reading too much into things. Far too early to second guess what's going on behind the scenes imo.

Let's wait and see how the season pans out.
 
If anyone thinks he was happy with the window, you need to take off the Spurs-tinted glasses.
If anyone thinks Poch expected us to be buying Bale and Modric this window then they need their heads testing!

Why is it so hard to believe that he’s got a brain and réalisés money is tight with the stadium build and that you can’t just spunk 50m on a squad player (Richardson/Zaha/Grealish). Basically the exact quotes Poch has been giving for a month!
 
If anyone thinks Poch expected us to be buying Bale and Modric this window then they need their heads testing!

Why is it so hard to believe that he’s got a brain and réalisés money is tight with the stadium build and that you can’t just spunk 50m on a squad player (Richardson/Zaha/Grealish). Basically the exact quotes Poch has been giving for a month!

No one is realistically asking for Modric or Bale. But it doesn’t take those players to improve our squad.

If he doesn’t get top 4 this year, his stock drops a bit. A lot of Spurs fans will accuse him of underachieving and the media narrative will be the same. That’s despite the fact that he’s been asked to get top 4 with one hand tied behind his back.

I firmly believe we could have afforded 1 or 2 players for 50m-70m and the wages that go with that but Levy didn’t want to overpay. I also believe Poch is towing the club line in public but he can’t be happy to compete with Chelsea, City, United, Arsenal and Liverpool all of whom have improved their squads to varying degrees while he’s been left with the same players.
 
People: we're still only five games in. FIVE GAMES.

Sounds to me like you may be reading too much into things. Far too early to second guess what's going on behind the scenes imo.

Let's wait and see how the season pans out.

Yeah, maybe. But his demeanour is definitely different. I’m just interested in why that is. I don’t think he’s annoyed or trying to get out of the club or anything, but I do think it’s interesting to think about the make up of our squad vs previous seasons and the ways in which Poch may have to motivate them differently.

He’s shown himself to be adaptable, a great learner and a fantastic leader all through his time with us, so I do think he can do well again. But I think this is a different challenge to what he has faced before.
 
Mauricio Pochettino accused journalists of disrespecting his players after Tottenham opened their Champions League campaign with a 2-1 defeat at Internazionale.

Spurs led through Christian Eriksen and the manager described the performance as having been the best of the season. But there would be a sting in the tail, with Mauro Icardi equalising with a sensational long-range volley on 86 minutes and Matias Vecino stealing victory in stoppage-time with a header following a corner.

It represented the latest set-piece concession after the lapses in the losses to Watford and Liverpool, and Pochettino could be further annoyed by Tottenham’s inability to take a clutch of chances at 1-0. Harry Kane had also missed a clear chance at 0-0.

However, Pochettino lost his cool when he was asked whether the result might have been different had he not rested the key defenders Kieran Trippier and Toby Alderweireld.

“You disrespect the players that tonight showed better qualities than the opponent,” he told his questioner.

“When my decision is to play with 11, you must respect my decision because I am the manager. It’s so painful to hear when some people are not here and you judge in that way.”

The manager cut a frustrated figure on the sidelines at the end, especially as he was convinced it was Spurs’ best display of the campaign so far.

“It’s so cruel,” Pochettino said. “The team deserved much more and I think that was our best performance since the start of the season. The only way back to winning games is to play in the way we played. It’s not about learning and working on the training ground [on set-pieces] – you need luck, too, and the right decision at the right moment.

“At 1-0, the result is always open and the problem was we didn’t kill the game. Samir Handanovic was fantastic in goal in some situations. Of course, the home fans were unbelievable after the equaliser and they helped their team to win the game. We need to improve with some situations.

“I understand football and I understand tough periods can arrive. After our win at Manchester United, I said: ‘Be careful.’ And afterwards, a tough period arrived, starting at Watford. The most important thing is to be strong and we are strong. We’ve shown tonight that we will be the same as in the past.

“We have quality and I started to see good signs that the team is coming back. We showed great personality. We controlled Inter Milan in the San Siro, a difficult place. We showed big character and we were unlucky not to keep the result we deserved.”

The defender, Serge Aurier, said: “I don’t know what the problem is with us defending set-pieces and every time you get in the lead, you must stay focused. That has cost us the game.”


Poch stands up for his players and finds the positives. While we're all gutted, we weren't ripped a new one.
 
I’m disrespecting them as well, they are all letting themselves down, as for that being our best performance of the season that says it all, we used to smash teams like this by 4/5 goals.

We are a mess, Poch isn’t going to fix it by lashing out at journalists, our problems are internal.
 
Unless we invest in world class players and get rid of all the journey men then we will stay in this position. We need a winning mentality and a Manager who knows how to win.
 
Unless we invest in world class players and get rid of all the journey men then we will stay in this position. We need a winning meteorology and a Manager who knows how to win.


43714e6c85f7e7019777027ecaad71fe4edcaeac.jpg
 
If anyone thinks he was happy with the window, you need to take off the Spurs-tinted glasses.

It’s probably frustrating the hell out of him watching Klopp with the budget and wages he has been afforded.

People say “yeah but it’s hard to improve on our best 11 or 12”. Look at Henderson, ok he may have been ‘rested’ in the league games because of WC and internationals but Klopp won’t hesitate to mix it up with Keita and Fabinho arriving. The more fit, sharp, top quality players you have at your disposal the better. Doesn’t matter how good your 11 is.

The Kane back up drama....so there isn’t one quality forward that wouldn’t come and sit on our bench and graft to get 20+ games a season. Ings, Ihenacho, Mitrovic? Did we even try? As it is Poch doesn’t look too enthusiastic about the alternatives we do have so Kane has no chance of a rest. Kane got his chance through a gap appearing and him grabbing it. There’s no one to try in the gap that could be available at the moment if Kane were to rest.

Eriksen is probably tired. Why didn’t we go for James Maddison? At £20m there is minimum risk. I know Lamela has his fans and I’m one of them but he just isn’t that type of player. Maddison could be getting loads of 30 mins and be ready to step in when the games stack up or players are injured (sure to happen).
 
It’s probably frustrating the hell out of him watching Klopp with the budget and wages he has been afforded.

People say “yeah but it’s hard to improve on our best 11 or 12”. Look at Henderson, ok he may have been ‘rested’ in the league games because of WC and internationals but Klopp won’t hesitate to mix it up with Keita and Fabinho arriving. The more fit, sharp, top quality players you have at your disposal the better. Doesn’t matter how good your 11 is.

The Kane back up drama....so there isn’t one quality forward that wouldn’t come and sit on our bench and graft to get 20+ games a season. Ings, Ihenacho, Mitrovic? Did we even try? As it is Poch doesn’t look too enthusiastic about the alternatives we do have so Kane has no chance of a rest. Kane got his chance through a gap appearing and him grabbing it. There’s no one to try in the gap that could be available at the moment if Kane were to rest.

Eriksen is probably tired. Why didn’t we go for James Maddison? At £20m there is minimum risk. I know Lamela has his fans and I’m one of them but he just isn’t that type of player. Maddison could be getting loads of 30 mins and be ready to step in when the games stack up or players are injured (sure to happen).

Why is Mitrovic et al that much better than Janssen or Llorente at being Kane's back up?

Maddison wanted to be playing every week, not getting 30 mins hear and there and hoping to be rotated in behind one of our best players. More young players are wise to the idea that it's important to play first 11 football now. And these are reasons why it was difficult to improve us.

Lamela is a good player. Aurier tonight showed he was a good player. Winks is coming back to form. Wanyama hopefully will. In a month's time, our squad will look deeper again.
 
Maybe Poch could see lax attitude coming and tried to avert it? Maybe the squad have been sulking since (Poch being a party-pooper whilst they were high-fiving and slapping each others backs?:p)
Whatever is happening the buck stops with poch.

Sent from my SM-G960F using Fapatalk
 
Looks to me that Poch is frustrated, mainly because there is no clear reason for what is happening at the moment. 90% of the Squad has a question mark over their head, but we failing with the basics at the moment throughout the team, non WC and WC. However it gives me confidence that Poch saw this before us, he went in on players after Utd for at the time seemingly no reason, but he was right.

However 3 games ago we looked like challengers
3 months ago we thought Poch was off

The world has lost its ability to be reasonable, however some of the absolute b*llbrick happening at the moment its ridiculous. Lots of f*ck modern football who then act like modern football fans.
 
Back