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World Cup 2026: Mexico, USA and Canada

harr1984 said:
We scored in the 55th minute, our first sub wasn't until the 72nd minute - we was already dropping deeper and deeper and coughing up chances by then....
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We were fine until about 5 minutes after we scored. Then he made a sub and compounded our issue…., then he made 2 more and buried us!

But this has all been done before and I want to enjoy the final. We saw yesterday what happens when you leave attacking options on, lesson learned immediately for Tuchel at least.
 
thfcsteff said:
I think he is a gas-lighter, yes. IF this was a systemic issue, IF it was the same as previous tournaments (I don't agree with that BTW), then he had 2 years to prepare for such a potential moment.
Why is it so hard to accept what you saw? Or are you seeking balance for the ideal concept of balance?
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I accept what I saw perfectly, I’m just saying that I think the way the narrative has cemented in the national psyche is extreme, in one direction, and not sufficiently taking into account the range of factors that influenced what we saw.

I think frankly the country on the whole has had an emotional reaction to what happened. Because we were so close, because so many believed this could be our year, because we might not get close again for a while, and because Tuchel was supposed to be something Southgate wasn’t. There always needs to be someone to blame to explain an England exit. All the while it’s the hardest competition on earth to win, and the other teams don’t care one jot what was ‘supposed’ to happen for England.

I listen to Emma Hayes today on the Rest is Football, and I find myself agreeing a lot with her. She’s actually been an international coach and I feel like she gets it. She could see that the coaches were trying to get our team forward in the game, and I think she correctly calls out that it was the lack of a mental framework in the team that meant they failed to execute. This is very similar to the quite good analysis that Andros Townsend offered. The players were dropping,

This is not to say that different decisions or different subs couldn’t have been made. But I think the mental strength of the players has been a severely under discussed element of the failing here. We know that they dropped in spite of instructions in the Croatia game, and Tuchel had to get into them. But I just don’t think the national conversation is ready to discuss this element. No one wants to criticize the players, because they clearly put so much effort in, and built such a connection with the population, but this isn’t a point about effort, it’s a point about the mental fortitude to play your game in spite of huge pressure. And I don’t think our players did. And to be honest I’m surprised that’s such a controversial thing to say.
 
No fk against Romero there. Clear proof this is rigged.
Or that it's the PL that is rigged, because he'd been booked for that non-foul if in a Spurs shirt.
 
SissokoWasGood (BoL) said:
I accept what I saw perfectly, I’m just saying that I think the way the narrative has cemented in the national psyche is extreme, in one direction, and not sufficiently taking into account the range of factors that influenced what we saw.

I think frankly the country on the whole has had an emotional reaction to what happened. Because we were so close, because so many believed this could be our year, because we might not get close again for a while, and because Tuchel was supposed to be something Southgate wasn’t. There always needs to be someone to blame to explain an England exit. All the while it’s the hardest competition on earth to win, and the other teams don’t care one jot what was ‘supposed’ to happen for England.

I listen to Emma Hayes today on the Rest is Football, and I find myself agreeing a lot with her. She’s actually been an international coach and I feel like she gets it. She could see that the coaches were trying to get our team forward in the game, and I think she correctly calls out that it was the lack of a mental framework in the team that meant they failed to execute. This is very similar to the quite good analysis that Andros Townsend offered. The players were dropping,

This is not to say that different decisions or different subs couldn’t have been made. But I think the mental strength of the players has been a severely under discussed element of the failing here. We know that they dropped in spite of instructions in the Croatia game, and Tuchel had to get into them. But I just don’t think the national conversation is ready to discuss this element. No one wants to criticize the players, because they clearly put so much effort in, and built such a connection with the population, but this isn’t a point about effort, it’s a point about the mental fortitude to play your game in spite of huge pressure. And I don’t think our players did. And to be honest I’m surprised that’s such a controversial thing to say.
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Mate, I think you’re pretty bang-on the money but the people not willing or able to properly engage or accept some of this thesis includes members of this forum.
 
thfcsteff said:
It's as much about who you don't bring on.
Saka was apparently fit.
Rashford was fit.
He had Reece James in midfield for 10 mins in order to accommodate an extra defender. He had a midfielder on the bench who profiled for what we needed.
Are you seriously trying to suggest that Tuchel was powerless and that this was a player/driven system collapse?

BTW, the guy cannot accept responsibility. It is a range of other faults, including English DNA. As the leader/manager/coach/mixologist of all we've looked to do for 2 years, does this mean his German DNA has been compromised?

He had two systems; speed and power in attack, wall in defense when pressure was on. That's it.
Without Bellingham and Kane we'd have been out in the group stages...
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I think this is very much a player driven collapse. I’m not saying it was all them, and I’m not trying to say they deserve pelters from the population, but I do think there is a collective, systemic mentality issue that is being under discussed. And I think people aren’t listening to what Tuchel is actually saying.

I simply don’t believe that this was a player profile issue, to the extent that it was the reason we had 12% possession. The players have to have the strength to say, I’m not going to fall back to far. Someone could be an outlet. Rodgers and Bellingham could have been outlets. The idea that Rashford or Mainoo would have stemmed the tide of a ravenous Argentina in a fudging knife fight is just crazy to me. Gordon was actually on the pitch for plenty of time after we scored and was not an outlet, even though he should have been. Because he like everyone else was falling back.

The players needed outlets. And they needed to have the confidence to put their foot on the ball and play football when they recovered it. The players on the pitch were more than capable of doing it. We had the chance just after our goal where we rushed it into Kane and it bounced off of him. And we had a chance where Rodgers, after winning his duel, decided to take a 30 yarder on the break. That’s it.

I don’t disagree with you on Tuchel’s modes so much. And I think it was good that he had a defined strategy and way of playing that meant he brought the profile of player that he did. But I don’t believe he wanted the team to be containing the game on the edge of their box for as long as they were. The players have escaped any scrutiny whatsoever for their part in it, and I think that’s wrong,
 
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