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Welcome Ange: To Dare is to Didgeridoo

Teams hadn't seen, let alone faced that way of playing at the beginning of the season, so we caught a few by surprise. Now teams leave one or two players high and wide, and compact the defense in the middle. If/when they win the ball, they have an out ball on the wings, where we have no one, often leaving us two vs two.
It's pretty much standard for big/good teams to attack in some 2-3-whatever or 3-2-whatever kind of system.

Romero, VdV, Bissouma/Bentancur, Sarr, Udogie, Porro. All and as a group good at dealing with those counters. I don't think we're more vulnerable than City for example when those counters happen.

If we play well the benefit outweighs the cost quite handily imo. It becomes a problem when we're not attacking well, not creating chances or are sloppy/poor in possession. Because then the breaks happen more often and there's less risk for the opponents of they stay high and wide.

In short, play better.
 
Perhaps, but I don't think there's much dufference. But it does feel like we're not winning the ball back high up the pitch as much as we did before. Feels like when we're winning it back, it's 10 meters further back on average, but I don't have any data to back that up. Just a feeling/observation.

like for the winner many came back in numbers....others didn't IMO and those were the ones that exposed us (romero and Bisssuma)
 
Popping in with a few observations on his time so far. I'd like to think it's fairly objective, since, given work and personal commitments, I haven't had the time to get too invested in this season - mostly I just watch the games and then put it out of my mind.

1. I feel like Postecoglou took the league by surprise in his first ten games - his approach with underlapping full backs and an aggressive high press created overloads in the middle that teams simply couldn't handle.

2. The easy start in terms of fixtures, the lack of midweek games, and the growing confidence of the players in their approach, all helped us click into high gear early.

3. It all came apart against Chelsea - the combination of long-term injuries to key players (for both Van de Ven and Maddison, the longest of their careers so far), suspensions disrupting momentum, and having to play players regardless of declining form or fitness due to lack of alternatives, meant the next ten games (11-20) were up and down. But this was more down to fitness and availability than tactical issues or player commitment.

4. Since then though, even as our availability issues have greatly eased, two things seem to have happened - teams have figured us out, and players aren't as committed to the plan as previously. For the first, teams have committed to pressing us ridiculously high, and man-for-man, knowing we lack the technical ability to play through them - this has resulted in many turnovers and an inability to control games. There have also been smaller tweaks to take advantage of our issues - Vicario being marked at corners, etc. And, crucially, teams have crowded us out of the middle, trusting that our wingers are not good enough to hurt them - and they have been entirely right. For the second, look at how the press has declined in recent games - we don't press well anymore, with large gaps between players leading the press, players being caught in poor positions well away from the ball carrier, etc. Look at how our players pass back when under pressure, instead of turning and playing through it. All signs of declining belief in the system.

Overall, Postecoglou has had a fairly even hand to work with. In his favour, he has had fan buy-in, and mostly empty midweeks to work with his players. Against him, he has had severe injury and availability crises. He's shown some promise, but he needs to get a grip on our recent decline in performances and form.

1. Part of the issue lies in his selections - Kulusevski on the right instantly nullifies that wing because he cannot use his right foot at all, so the opposition easily controls him. Son on the left only works occasionally - more often, he has completely anonymous games. These selection issues need tweaking.

2. More broadly, he needs to get players believing in his plan again - pressing high, playing through the press. And if he can't do that, he needs to have alternatives for when the players can't execute it, and after the end of the season, he needs better players, period.

I think Postecoglou has shown enough promise to persevere with. He is *not* Pochettino - Poch, along with Klopp, completely revolutionized tactics in the Premier League by bringing coordinated high pressing to England, which is why we had a sustained period of success while teams tried to adapt to us/copy us. Postecoglou's plan is more of a variation on Guardiola's system of underlapping full backs and high pressing, than a total revolution.

But it's clear that his system, when it has total buy in, can work. It just needs a lot of time, and a lot of buy in - much more than the first ten games might have indicated.

With Kane gone, I think a lot of pressure on Postecoglou and the club to succeed now has gone. He'll get the time to build. But, equally, he needs to tweak things on his end, too, to make it a success. The toughest league in the world rarely rewards puritanism.

Some good points that i do agree with in there mate :),one other thing that i feel is making a difference is that our M/F players ( Maddison,and Bentacur are not fully fit and play suffers because of it) add to that the missing of Bissouma and Sarr over the last month has affected us and imo it shows. The M./F is the engine room of any side and we are suffering mostly ( imo) because of that.


i do agree with in there mate
 
Some good points that i do agree with in there mate :),one other thing that i feel is making a difference is that our M/F players ( Maddison,and Bentacur are not fully fit and play suffers because of it) add to that the missing of Bissouma and Sarr over the last month has affected us and imo it shows. The M./F is the engine room of any side and we are suffering mostly ( imo) because of that.


i do agree with in there mate

I agree here too TBh, just because people are bored of talking about issues doesn't make them any less relevant, as you say we do also need to take into account the coming and going of the squad.

We do need better depth though but that comes with time
 
I agree here too TBh, just because people are bored of talking about issues doesn't make them any less relevant, as you say we do also need to take into account the coming and going of the squad.

We do need better depth though but that comes with time

Indeed, i know we are not playing very well at the moment but some of the moans are over the top ( imo), plenty of our fans at the begining of the season were worried about finishing mid or lower table yet here we are in the top few clubs and if that has been offered at the begining of the season those same fams would have been estatic. Work in progress is what is happening and allthough the past few games have been a stuggle there are plenty of things to be happy about.

We have been seriously affected by injurys and even though some of those players are back ( Maddison, Bentacur especially) they are not fully fit and back to their best yet. In some ways our good start to the season has led some to believe that all is rosy when in all honesty we still( Ange) has a lot of work to do and expectations should be seen that way. imo
 
Spurs players points per game when starting:

VdV: 2.33
Richarlison: 2.31
Maddison: 2.2
Sarr: 2.17
Romero: 2.1
Porro: 2.0
Werner: 2.0
Udogie: 1.95
Kulu: 1.91
Bissouma: 1.87
Son: 1.85
Bentancur: 1.83
Johnson: 1.45
Davies: 1.3
Lo Celso: 1.0
Royal: 1.0
PEH: 0.7
Dier: 0.0
 
Spurs players points per game when starting:

VdV: 2.33
Richarlison: 2.31
Maddison: 2.2
Sarr: 2.17
Romero: 2.1
Porro: 2.0
Werner: 2.0
Udogie: 1.95
Kulu: 1.91
Bissouma: 1.87
Son: 1.85
Bentancur: 1.83
Johnson: 1.45
Davies: 1.3
Lo Celso: 1.0
Royal: 1.0
PEH: 0.7
Dier: 0.0
Our captain just scrapes in to the top 11!
 
Indeed, i know we are not playing very well at the moment but some of the moans are over the top ( imo), plenty of our fans at the begining of the season were worried about finishing mid or lower table yet here we are in the top few clubs and if that has been offered at the begining of the season those same fams would have been estatic. Work in progress is what is happening and allthough the past few games have been a stuggle there are plenty of things to be happy about.

We have been seriously affected by injurys and even though some of those players are back ( Maddison, Bentacur especially) they are not fully fit and back to their best yet. In some ways our good start to the season has led some to believe that all is rosy when in all honesty we still( Ange) has a lot of work to do and expectations should be seen that way. imo
Fully agreed. And it can take time to get back to your best after an injury. Drops in form happen for players and teams.

Was thinking. That rosy start to the season happened with most players fit. Not just our "best players", but also some good and important options. Particularly thinking of Solomon and Perisic. We all praised Perisic at the start of the season iirc. Solomon less so, but he was definitely useful.

A lot being said about us needing a one vs. one specialist in the summer, for GHod reason imo. We actually started the season with two of them imo in Solomon (more dribbly) and Perisic (get half a yard, quality cross). Neither top quality players, but still, they fit that profile fairly well. Weould have been great to have either in recent games and I think it could heve made a bit of a difference.

Have had high hopes about us getting back to our early season form at some point. And we definitely had that also without Solomon or Perisic on the pitch, I still have high hopes this season. But there's definitely a key ingredient missing at the moment, along with some other key players not at their best.
 
For discussion: Ange's first season at Celtic. I count 23 clean sheets and 42 wins in 60 games played. 11 losses. 70% wins.

Second season: 19 clean sheets and 41 wins in 53 games played. 7 losses. 77% wins.

Don't think you're ever going to get loads of clean sheets under Ange. When his sides win, just nature that half the time (or more) they will also concede.

Its far easier to score in Scotland, Celtic are on a higher level than City in terms of their quality vs the rest.
 
I’m expecting significant changes to the playing staff this summer - and I am pretty comfortable with that under the current set up given how well Ange has embedded new faces.

I’d like a couple of world class wingers - we’re too blunt and I’m not for banging my head against the wall.
 
Agree John, I hope Ange is not satisfied with what he sees and wants to improve on a load of players.

Personally I worry that Werner and Solomon were "decent" but mainly "good bargains". Like that t-shirt I bought at 90% discount in the sales, but didn't wear.

I'm hopeful our current players can click into gear, but am fully trusting Ange, Lange and Fange to make changes as needed.

PS - just listening to a pod with Fraser Forster, he says Conte absolutely ran them and ran them, very hard work.
 
It’s not been plain sailing by any means, but worth noting that Spurs have conceded just one goal from open play in their last four games, and even that one was a counter-attack from a Tottenham set-piece.

(Stolen from twitter)
 
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