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Transfer thread

harr1984 said:
Yeah absolutely, I'm not deluded enough to think we can just acquire any good player potentially available. And Luis Diaz and Bruno Fernandes are two examples of us being dwarfed by bigger clubs.

But I don't buy we can't sign a really good player at the top of his game if we were ambitious. There are plenty of players not available but a club will go the extra mile to get him. I'm not advocating us overspending here there and everywhere, but I do think there are times we could opportunistically loosen the purse strings more than we do when our stock is high - as it is now. But it is what it is, our recruitment since Paratici has been decent so we should be good in maintaining a top 6 status at least....
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It’s a while ago now, but I think it’s what we thought we were doing with Ndombele, but turns out the scouting was terrible on that one, somewhere along the chain (scouts, DoF, Manager) his attitude traits should have been picked up on.
 
totalspurs said:
Seriously if it's £60m for Kudus or £68 for Eze, has to be Eze all day long.

The problem is we have ambitions to move forward and become a top PL winning club with the best infrastructure and the most professional set-up... and yet we continue to do transfer/recruitment business like a mid-level PL club.

Top Level elite businesses identify who exactly they need (headhunt) to become more competitive and get the deal done fast before your competitors can even blink, and even if they have to pay a bit more to seal the deal.

Mid and lower level clubs or (sme's) need to hard bargain and get the best deal so will be talking to many a number of buyers and sellers before settling on a deal.

Obviously both are done with risk assessments and calculations in advance, but whilst we understand that we have been living under the SME strategy for the past few years, we should be moving towards a Top Level elite business strategy now, especially if our ambition is to win the league.

I don't think Levy can change his procurement style to adapt with Elite level procurement in today's football. Times and industry has evolved, with Saudi money and US and far East money already in now... Levy's style is no longer suited to an Elite level football club. It's okay if we want to be a 6th-12th placed club...but not if we want to win the league.
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Kudus potentially solves a glaring problem we have on the right. Eze might well be a better option than Maddison or Kulu for the centre but I don't think the difference is as stark absolutely necessary. So I don't think it's even a case of being cheap, we are likely just going for the player who actually solves a real problem we currently have.
 
Gazza Dazzla said:
As was mentioned yesterday by someone else on another thread (and pretty much weekly since this wage to turnover ratio nonsense arose) if a player of top quality is available we will not be the only ones after them, there will be at least a couple of more attractive destinations. So even matching a 300k a wage wouldn’t mean getting the player.

I’m yet to see an example of one of these next level players we missed out on because of wages. Certainly not saying it hasn’t happened but yet to hear a realistic example of it. Zubimendi and Wirtz I don’t consider realistic by the way unless you consider us more attractive than Pool or the goons right now.
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Any and every top level player is someone we have missed out on. I'm not buying this new narrative some people are now trying to suggest that we can't sign a player even if we offered the kind of wages that would attract such players. If you offer the best wages you can sign anyone.

We are not willing to do so and again I'm totally fine with that but let's not pretend that if we had a different ownership and spending model it would be impossible to sign such players. All the evidence shows otherwise.
 
harr1984 said:
Yeah absolutely, I'm not deluded enough to think we can just acquire any good player potentially available. And Luis Diaz and Bruno Fernandes are two examples of us being dwarfed by bigger clubs.

But I don't buy we can't sign a really good player at the top of his game if we were ambitious. There are plenty of players not available but a club will go the extra mile to get him. I'm not advocating us overspending here there and everywhere, but I do think there are times we could opportunistically loosen the purse strings more than we do when our stock is high - as it is now. But it is what it is, our recruitment since Paratici has been decent so we should be good in maintaining a top 6 status at least....
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Btw we weren't dwarfed with Bruno Fernandes. He wanted to sign for us, we just couldn't agree a fee with Sporting. It was 6 months later after our interest had passed that he signed for United.
 
Gazza Dazzla said:
It’s a while ago now, but I think it’s what we thought we were doing with Ndombele, but turns out the scouting was terrible on that one, somewhere along the chain (scouts, DoF, Manager) his attitude traits should have been picked up on.
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Ndombele is not the type of player he is talking about. Ndombele was still a development purchase. A highly talented one yes, loaded with masses of potential yes, but not an example of a bonafide finished article. He was never supposed to be a player who came straight in and elevated the side to an unseen level. He was a player in the ilk as Modric, Berbatov etc. he was supposed to continue developing here with us.
 
Bishop said:
Any and every top level player is someone we have missed out on. I'm not buying this new narrative some people are now trying to suggest that we can't sign a player even if we offered the kind of wages that would attract such players. If you offer the best wages you can sign anyone.

We are not willing to do so and again I'm totally fine with that but let's not pretend that if we had a different ownership and spending model it would be impossible to sign such players. All the evidence shows otherwise.
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Still waiting for those examples then mate…. Give it a try
 
Bishop said:
Btw we weren't dwarfed with Bruno Fernandes. He wanted to sign for us, we just couldn't agree a fee with Sporting. It was 6 months later after our interest had passed that he signed for United.
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Nope, you’re right, Sporting reneged on the agreement with us, Bruno was well happy with the wages it’s seems…
Bruno revealed all a month or so ago
 
Bishop said:
Ndombele is not the type of player he is talking about. Ndombele was still a development purchase. A highly talented one yes, loaded with masses of potential yes, but not an example of a bonafide finished article. He was never supposed to be a player who came straight in and elevated the side to an unseen level. He was a player in the ilk as Modric, Berbatov etc. he was supposed to continue developing here with us.
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Any examples?
 
Gazza Dazzla said:
Still waiting for those examples then mate…. Give it a try
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Examples of players? I think you're not understanding what I'm saying, a team can sign literally anyone if the wage offer is high enough. Robinho signed for Emirates Marketing Project after their takeover purely due to wages. He didn't even know Emirates Marketing Project as club existed before he joined. That's what I mean you can sign anyone if you're willing to pay. There are so many throughout history. Even right now Isak is reportedly on 120k, that was a massive pay bump from his Sociedad days and how Saudi Sportswashing Machine were able to attract one of Europe's most promising strikers.

Now before you respond please understand I'm not even advocating for those kinds of signings. I'm just dispelling the notion that it's impossible for us to make them. It's impossible under ENIC because it's not their model, but it's not actually impossible.
 
Bishop said:
Examples of players? I think you're not understanding I'm saying a team can sign literally anyone if the wage offer is high enough. Robinho signed for Emirates Marketing Project after their takeover purely due to wages. He didn't even know Emirates Marketing Project as club existed before he joined. That's what I mean you can sign anyone if you're willing to pay. There are so many throughout history. Even right now Isak is reportedly on 120k, that was a massive pay bump from his Sociedad days and how Saudi Sportswashing Machine were able to attract one of Europe's most promising strikers.

Now before you respond please understand I'm not even advocating for those kinds of signings. I'm just dispelling the notion that it's impossible for us to make them. It's impossible under ENIC because it's not their model, but it's not actually impossible.
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Robinho is actually a very fair example

I think we could have got Isak if we’d indentified him though. He was just never on our radar. So a scouting thing rather than a financial thing.

Anyway signing out now.
 
Lilbaz said:
Seems frank wants soeone to play on the right. Kudus does. Eze doesn't. So kudus is the priority.
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Definitely. Kudus is also 4 years younger. Eze is at his peak, whereas Kudus still has a lot of potential for development. The only thing really in Eze's column is we know he has strong mentality, whereas there is more unknown on that front with Kudus
 
Gutter Boy said:
Definitely. Kudus is also 4 years younger. Eze is at his peak, whereas Kudus still has a lot of potential for development. The only thing really in Eze's column is we know he has strong mentality, whereas there is more unknown on that front with Kudus
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I think he’s up for the fight
 
Bishop said:
Examples of players? I think you're not understanding what I'm saying, a team can sign literally anyone if the wage offer is high enough. Robinho signed for Emirates Marketing Project after their takeover purely due to wages. He didn't even know Emirates Marketing Project as club existed before he joined. That's what I mean you can sign anyone if you're willing to pay. There are so many throughout history. Even right now Isak is reportedly on 120k, that was a massive pay bump from his Sociedad days and how Saudi Sportswashing Machine were able to attract one of Europe's most promising strikers.

Now before you respond please understand I'm not even advocating for those kinds of signings. I'm just dispelling the notion that it's impossible for us to make them. It's impossible under ENIC because it's not their model, but it's not actually impossible.
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Neither Robinho or Isak at the point of those respective transfers were made are the type of signing being discussed though are they? We're talking genuine established players who'd command top level wages rather than players at middling clubs and/or from middling leagues not yet proven at the highest levels. Even then you're talking about two of the wealthiest nation backed clubs making statement signings to signal their arrival.
 
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Gutter Boy said:
Definitely. Kudus is also 4 years younger. Eze is at his peak, whereas Kudus still has a lot of potential for development. The only thing really in Eze's column is we know he has strong mentality, whereas there is more unknown on that front with Kudus
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FYI it’s basically two years difference in age.

But I take it that Kudus feels a bit more raw.
 
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