***TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR v Crystal Palace OMT***

[mudshark]

Another fuсking bore-fest. Something has to give, and we can only hope it will be our form in the January market, because we need other options than just this lot IMO.

 

[Hemant]

My arguement is that neither Bentaleb or Mason are DM`s I will get slaughtered for this but Bentaleb in imo is not influential at all.

Agree.

 

[Bedfordspurs]

We are not regressing. We had a bad performance today but had a lot good one last week and put in a credible shift against the best team in the league midweek. Anyone who thought that it would be sorted within fifteen games is an idiot.

You need to add cup games in that number and really were we that bad before that we needed a revolution???

Sherwoods side played better football than this side. Anyone who can't see that is blind. Would it have taken us to the next level? Not in my opinion but it wasnt dragging us down like this **** is. We now play some of the slowest least effective football in the league.

The obsession with playing number 10s instead of effective footballers isibd blowing to me. The game is suddenly more complicated that by nuclear physics

Why change the team that won last week!???? Tiredness is *******s at this stage of the season and the only reason to change is injuries

Someone commented that we were saving lennon for the europa game!!! We're through in that competition so why would you even contemplate it?!?

Poch has to get back to basics and understand his players rather than them ubesets and his system

 

[Raziel]

We are not regressing. We had a bad performance today but had a good one last week and put in a credible shift against the best team in the league midweek. Anyone who thought that it would be sorted within fifteen games is an idiot.

Sorry mate, one good game in 15 is not progress

More worryingly is our manager doesn't seem to be learning.

This is going to be a **** season ... hope when all the revisionists who talk about the opportunity we had with Harry look back at this season and see how poorly Pool/Scum/Manure are playing, don't miss the fact that we are letting another big opportunity season slip away.

 

[Jurgen the German]

It's all here mate:
http://2plus2equals11.wordpress.com/category/crossing/

Crossing is pretty much a waste of time other than once or twice a match to keep the oppositions guessing.

I don't think anyone is saying we should do it all the time, just mix things up every now and then. Even Barcelona can be contained (to a point of course) if you get plenty of men behind the ball and we are nowhere near as good as they are.

 

[LCLC]

Saudi Sportswashing Machine at home when krul broke the record of most saves in a premiership gsme? Yeah I remember. We haven't created that many chances in the last 5 have we?

We weren't great, but his squads were deck ated far more than poch. First season AVB lost king, van det vaart and modric. Second season bale. Poch lost no one.

But yeah. Moot really. All that matters is now. And although our squad ISNT great, it's not as bad as poch is making it appear.

Please don't defend AVB - he is a fraud.

Poch is doing ok - give him time

 

[Raziel]

Please don't defend AVB - he is a fraud.

Poch is doing ok - give him time

No he's not, argue whatever you like, he's not doing ok

- terrible home record
- done nothing to improve our style
- done nothing to improve our results against top 4/5 teams
- We are ****ing 10th, remind me where we were when AVB was fired?

 

[milo]

You need to add cup games in that number and really were we that bad before that we needed a revolution???

Sherwoods side played better football than this side. Anyone who can't see that is blind. Would it have taken us to the next level? Not in my opinion but it wasnt dragging us down like this **** is. We now play some of the slowest least effective football in the league.

The obsession with playing number 10s instead of effective footballers isibd blowing to me. The game is suddenly more complicated that by nuclear physics

Why change the team that won last week!???? Tiredness is *******s at this stage of the season and the only reason to change is injuries

Someone commented that we were saving lennon for the europa game!!! We're through in that competition so why would you even contemplate it?!?

Poch has to get back to basics and understand his players rather than them ubesets and his system

OK. It was crystal clear that it would take more than half a season to sort out. Sherwood's team played better football sometimes, it also played some shocking stuff and the lack of shape would have been a disaster going forward. One thing that Sherwood was 100% right about was the lack of character in the squad and that I think is the main issue that we have. My priority for January would be to bring in a top quality experienced player to help bring through the kids.

 

[Millsy_Yiddo]

Sorry mate, one good game in 15 is not progress

More worryingly is our manager doesn't seem to be learning.

This is going to be a **** season ... hope when all the revisionists who talk about the opportunity we had with Harry look back at this season and see how poorly Pool/Scum/Manure are playing, don't miss the fact that we are letting another big opportunity season slip away.

As is repeatedly discussed on here after every bad performance, in spells in pretty much every game apart from Stoke we have shown promise.

Define what a **** season would be in your eyes?

 

[scaramanga]

That is a preposterous oversimplification and an erroneous interpretation of those stats, imo. It doesnt say anywhere that crossing is a waste of time. At best, it can be used to say that it is not worth JUST relying on crossing. No one is saying that. What we want is width, excitement and goals. To say crossing is a waste of time is just disengenious. It is a perfectly valid addition to add variety to any attack.

It is moribund thinking like this that AVB, Poch you and some other adherents to this cult-like aversion to crossing that is ruining the Spurs that we used to love but are now becoming bored to death by.

:ross:

Nice use of the Russell Brand form of argument (using a thesaurus to make an argument sound less empty).

Still, with your thesaurus back in your pocket, have a look at what the article says about attacking against settled, organised teams.

Apart from around 4 matches per year, we don't play against an open defence, we play against teams that would happily take a point from us, who won't leave their own half for anything other than a set piece.

Crossing won't pull those teams out of shape, passing it around them will. Obviously we need to get better at passing around, but that's no reason to revert to some archaic form of football.

 

[Raziel]

As is repeatedly discussed on here after every bad performance, in spells in pretty much every game apart from Stoke we have shown promise.

Define what a **** season would be in your eyes?

**** season is simple

- No improvement in team/key players
- No improvement in home form
- No improvement in watchability of game
- Anything lower than 7th
- No real cup run

 

[scaramanga]

I don't think anyone is saying we should do it all the time, just mix things up every now and then. Even Barcelona can be contained (to a point of course) if you get plenty of men behind the ball and we are nowhere near as good as they are.

There are lots of people in every match thread shouting for Lennon, crosses and width. The odd cross to make us less predictable would be useful, but that's not what's being asked for. Mostly people appear to be suggesting that width and crosses are what will make us score.

 

[Seedy Ron]

Making the opposition defend the full width of our much maligned tiny pitch would seem sensible, get in behind down the sides a bit, get them turned round. We've been too narrow for ages.

 

[Raziel]

There are lots of people in every match thread shouting for Lennon, crosses and width. The odd cross to make us less predictable would be useful, but that's not what's being asked for. Mostly people appear to be suggesting that width and crosses are what will make us score.

Come on Scara .. you are smarter than that

Width =

- less chance of a single DM +back 4 sitting deep stopping all our attacks (i.e. Eriksen/Lamela/Mason/Bentaleb/Kane all trying to play in the same space)
- With a CB or DM having to move out to cover the width attacks, it gives Eriksen more room
- On their counter, they no longer get the option of just a punt out left and automatically have their player on a 1:1 with our RB
- Lennon will up the tempo just by nature of his pace

It's not about Lennon being WC or crossing, it's about changing the pace of game and creating a better balance to our formation

 

[scaramanga]

Making the opposition defend the full width of our much maligned tiny pitch would seem sensible, get in behind down the sides a bit, get them turned round. We've been too narrow for ages.

You can't get down the sides and turn them around when they're sat back the way teams do against us.

 

[Seedy Ron]

And we can't pass through teams either. So, 0-0.

 

[NWND]

Terrible performance Palace battered us we were lucky we didn't lose heavily.

 

[Raziel]

Terrible performance Palace battered us we were lucky we didn't lose heavily.

Why we didn't lose = Llois

 

[scaramanga]

Come on Scara .. you are smarter than that

Width =

- less chance of a single DM +back 4 sitting deep stopping all our attacks (i.e. Eriksen/Lamela/Mason/Bentaleb/Kane all trying to play in the same space)
- With a CB or DM having to move out to cover the width attacks, it gives Eriksen more room
- On their counter, they no longer get the option of just a punt out left and automatically have their player on a 1:1 with our RB
- Lennon will up the tempo just by nature of his pace

It's not about Lennon being WC or crossing, it's about changing the pace of game and creating a better balance to our formation

The way to improve the pace of our game is one-touch passing, not faster players. Faster players will only speed things us if they have space to run into - teams won't give us that space.

A team sitting back doesn't need to send a DM wide as they already have their winger back with the full back tucked in behind. As the back 4 (or even 8 ) are so compressed there's not really much you can do with width to pull them out of shape. When it does work is when you overload one side and drag everyone over - a late-arriving full back then can stretch a settled defence.

Admittedly having the width coming from a winger means that we're less exposed with a ball into the corner, but that's why we've got Walker, that's why we've got Rose (if we can teach him to chase back) and that's probably why we've got Yedlin.

 

[Robspur12]

No he's not, argue whatever you like, he's not doing ok

- terrible home record
- done nothing to improve our style
- done nothing to improve our results against top 4/5 teams
- We are ****ing 10th, remind me where we were when AVB was fired?

Probably higher but I guarantee we wouldn't have finished as high when the season was over. The point that all the AVB people seem to forget was that he had the opportunity to build his own side with 100 million pounds and this is the mess we are in and have been in now from the start of last season. Poch has not had that opportunity. So yeah let's not make AVB out to be a messiah. Southampton were good last season played lovely, attractive football. How about we give this bloke a little more time.