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Re: Northumberland Development Project - Archway On Fire
Other than the fact that no one appears to have been hurt, this is not good.
Seriously hoping that no fan was involved in this. So stupid, if it was, because we were less than two months away from likely winning the case at last.
But we also have to consider the possibility that if it was deliberate, Archway possibly have the most to gain. Because I can't believe that this is going to help Spurs' cause at all. So could Archway themselves have been the perpetrators?
Other than the fact that no one appears to have been hurt, this is not good.
Seriously hoping that no fan was involved in this. So stupid, if it was, because we were less than two months away from likely winning the case at last.
But we also have to consider the possibility that if it was deliberate, Archway possibly have the most to gain. Because I can't believe that this is going to help Spurs' cause at all. So could Archway themselves have been the perpetrators?
elyid
Gerry Armstrong
Re: Northumberland Development Project - Archway On Fire
My first reaction was this, and use some silly comments from teenagers on twitter as justification that it was a fan
My first reaction was this, and use some silly comments from teenagers on twitter as justification that it was a fan
elyid
Gerry Armstrong
Re: Northumberland Development Project - Archway On Fire
Surely Arsenal should be docked points if that's the case...
(sorry)
Surely Arsenal should be docked points if that's the case...
(sorry)
Re: Northumberland Development Project - Archway On Fire
Can't help but think that the Josifs have paid someone to torch the place in order to get the insurance money or even thinking it might help their case. Doesn't look like they care much for the future of their business anyway, just the money they thought they'd get.
Can't help but think that the Josifs have paid someone to torch the place in order to get the insurance money or even thinking it might help their case. Doesn't look like they care much for the future of their business anyway, just the money they thought they'd get.
elyid
Gerry Armstrong
Re: Northumberland Development Project - Archway On Fire
Sounds sensible to me, they had a lot to lose and nothing to gain. Unlike Spurs who are finally 2 months from getting the green light.
It does seem plausible that they would consider the social media "threats" to be the perfect alibi and torch it themselves for either 1) insurance or 2) to try to delay things further.
Also, I just can't imagine a fan would do this - modern fans are a world away from this sort of thing.
Must be CCTV though?
Sounds sensible to me, they had a lot to lose and nothing to gain. Unlike Spurs who are finally 2 months from getting the green light.
It does seem plausible that they would consider the social media "threats" to be the perfect alibi and torch it themselves for either 1) insurance or 2) to try to delay things further.
Also, I just can't imagine a fan would do this - modern fans are a world away from this sort of thing.
Must be CCTV though?
spurs' magna carter
Ronnie Rosenthal
Re: Northumberland Development Project - Archway On Fire
Oh ****. This really isn't what we need right now, the high court hearingwill almost certainly be delayed now, massive spanner in the works.
You literally couldn't make up some of the stuff that has happened with regards to this project.
Oh ****. This really isn't what we need right now, the high court hearingwill almost certainly be delayed now, massive spanner in the works.
You literally couldn't make up some of the stuff that has happened with regards to this project.
elyid
Gerry Armstrong
Re: Northumberland Development Project - Archway On Fire
Don't see why the high court hearing would be delayed. This would be a separate police / insurance investigation and shouldn't change the facts of the hearing.
On the plus side, whoever caused it at least no one was hurt.
Don't see why the high court hearing would be delayed. This would be a separate police / insurance investigation and shouldn't change the facts of the hearing.
On the plus side, whoever caused it at least no one was hurt.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Re: Northumberland Development Project - Archway On Fire
The insurance payout (for loss of business, as well as loss of property), will likely be more than the CPO rate.
Fires on land being primed for development are not uncommon. IIRC a recent employee of ours was the victim of such an accident a few years ago (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-14473058; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-14566263). I guess it's due to the lack of a nearby population to watch over them.
Other thought:
- There's got to be a ton of CCTV that close to a football stadium, so if it was someone (cf equipment) there should be images of the culprit soon enough
- The fire was on the first floor. If it were arson it would surely more likely be on the ground floor (unless it was a very crude Molotov through a window)?
The insurance payout (for loss of business, as well as loss of property), will likely be more than the CPO rate.
Fires on land being primed for development are not uncommon. IIRC a recent employee of ours was the victim of such an accident a few years ago (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-14473058; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-14566263). I guess it's due to the lack of a nearby population to watch over them.
Other thought:
- There's got to be a ton of CCTV that close to a football stadium, so if it was someone (cf equipment) there should be images of the culprit soon enough
- The fire was on the first floor. If it were arson it would surely more likely be on the ground floor (unless it was a very crude Molotov through a window)?
Notmegov
Roman Pavlyuchenko
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Re: Northumberland Development Project - Archway On Fire
If they want to keep running the business (cf retire), they will need to move to new premises asap. They aren't going to rebuild/repair on Paxton Road now, whatever happens.
The issue now will be that there'll be a 4th party involved looking for a piece of the pie - Archway's insurance company.
If they want to keep running the business (cf retire), they will need to move to new premises asap. They aren't going to rebuild/repair on Paxton Road now, whatever happens.
The issue now will be that there'll be a 4th party involved looking for a piece of the pie - Archway's insurance company.
Re: Northumberland Development Project - Archway On Fire
Most headlines on Newsnow inevitably mention the 'fire' and 'blocking Spurs developement' in the same sentence so this will have a negative impact on Spurs, however little, until the cause is established. I think it will be telling how quickly, if at all, Archway now 'begrudgingly' accept Spur's original settlement. In fact I think they would be in a better financial situation doing so as they would now have their loss of trade covered during the move to new premises. Just saying.
Most headlines on Newsnow inevitably mention the 'fire' and 'blocking Spurs developement' in the same sentence so this will have a negative impact on Spurs, however little, until the cause is established. I think it will be telling how quickly, if at all, Archway now 'begrudgingly' accept Spur's original settlement. In fact I think they would be in a better financial situation doing so as they would now have their loss of trade covered during the move to new premises. Just saying.
jts1882
Dean Richards
Re: Northumberland Development Project - Archway On Fire
I don't see how it blocks the Spurs development.
It could provide a easy way for Archway to back down from a risky position. "The fire forced us to accept Spurs offer for the sake of the family business. Bah, blah. blah." If the damage limits their production, they will have some downtime and it would be poor business to repair the damage with the court decision so close. An insurance payoff could even bolster their finances as they wouldn't need to make the repairs. [edit: I see mouville just made essentially the same point]
Does anyone know if the 500 White Hart Lane building was built. I know Spurs got planning permission in 2010, but did anything happen? Is there somewhere for Archway to move into?
I don't see how it blocks the Spurs development.
It could provide a easy way for Archway to back down from a risky position. "The fire forced us to accept Spurs offer for the sake of the family business. Bah, blah. blah." If the damage limits their production, they will have some downtime and it would be poor business to repair the damage with the court decision so close. An insurance payoff could even bolster their finances as they wouldn't need to make the repairs. [edit: I see mouville just made essentially the same point]
Does anyone know if the 500 White Hart Lane building was built. I know Spurs got planning permission in 2010, but did anything happen? Is there somewhere for Archway to move into?
Re: Northumberland Development Project - Archway On Fire
I cant see how this would delay their appeal against teh CPO - the CPO relates to the land surely rather than the structure on it (we not trying to buy the building). If anything it weakens the chance of an appeal being successful as it rules out them saying 'we have an ongoing viable business on the land which will be ruined if we have to relocate'.
Unless it is a purely accidental fire, which seems far to much of a coincidence, it does smack of an insurance job with the company aiming to get paid once via the CPO and secondly via insurance payout. Given teh CPO hearing is in Jan (I believe from the above posts) it would take an incredibly stupid 'fan' (in the broadest definition of the word) to commit arson on the building
I cant see how this would delay their appeal against teh CPO - the CPO relates to the land surely rather than the structure on it (we not trying to buy the building). If anything it weakens the chance of an appeal being successful as it rules out them saying 'we have an ongoing viable business on the land which will be ruined if we have to relocate'.
Unless it is a purely accidental fire, which seems far to much of a coincidence, it does smack of an insurance job with the company aiming to get paid once via the CPO and secondly via insurance payout. Given teh CPO hearing is in Jan (I believe from the above posts) it would take an incredibly stupid 'fan' (in the broadest definition of the word) to commit arson on the building