Thomas Frank - Head Coach

[Finney Is Back]

ok, and lets say I 100% agree with you, it now becomes a risk/reward conversation, i.e.

- Do we just give him time because it "may" come better or
- Do what we did with Nuno and go "hey, sorry, it's not the fit we thought it would be and put our resources elsewhere"

For me, 3 wins in last 11, 3 goals (none from open play) in last 5 games, miserable xG, 12th place, likely will be out our last real shot at a trophy within a week says the risk/trend is not heading in right direction.

FWIW, I don't the club will fire him yet, we are going to be watching more of this for the rest of season

Only three clubs in the league have a lower XG than Spurs this season.... Wolves, Burnley and Sunderland....

https://www.statmuse.com/fc/ask/open-play-xg-by-team-in-premier-league

On the flip side, to show that I am a very fair kind of man, our XGA is the 5th best behind only Arsenal, Liverpool, Saudi Sportswashing Machine and Emirates Marketing Project.

 

[NorwegianSpursFan]

Let's get Amorin in.....we missed out on him once.

We have a squad much more suited to his system than United had at least..

 

[Finney Is Back]

We got each other and thats enough for Spurs.... let's get Arne Slot....

 

[fernadez]

Yeah, i agree. He has until the end of the season at least for reasons i've mentioned a few times already.

How the team evolves between now (especially if we buy one or two players this January) and the summer will dictate if he's kept beyond then imo

Even post that, what is the actual rationale for sacking him? And beyond that sacking him for who, unless Poch stages some sort of hunger strike on the stadium roof who is there? I wanted Iraola and Glasner before Frank but it's all much of a muchness. There's no Jose at Porto manager floating around.

Bar some second half the season collapse, any finish around mid table buys him another season.

 

[Baleforce]

I still think he's in no danger of being sacked or even close to it.

People wishing/hoping for it are setting themselves up for a frustrating period of supporting the club.

I hope you are right.

He’s clearly getting somewhere, we are so much better than last season.

 

[Lemonade Money]

We got each other and thats enough for Spurs....we'll give in to Slot....

 

[glorygloryeze]

Even post that, what is the actual rationale for sacking him? And beyond that sacking him for who, unless Poch stages some sort of hunger strike on the stadium roof who is there? I wanted Iraola and Glasner before Frank but it's all much of a muchness. There's no Jose at Porto manager floating around.

Bar some second half the season collapse, any finish around mid table buys him another season.

The rationale of sacking of any coach is to bring in a better one who is a better long-term fit and who you feel can elevate /get the maximum oout of current players or better players you hope to add.

If Frank looks like he can't catch good attacking play at a club like ours it'd be better to fire him in the close-season for a new manager to have a pre-season etc. This is assuming ab better coach WOULD join us AND would actually be backed

 

[Yiddo]

Poch had a very poor start to his Chelsea career and he was under the cosh within the first few months. They got much better later on and you could see they would be a threat and then they sacked him. Frank will come good, he needs time.

 

[Jurgen the German]

He’s clearly getting somewhere, we are so much better than last season.

I wouldn’t say we are much better than last season. We’re about 3 points better off IIRC. If he could swap the home form for the away form I think that may go some way to appeasing the fans.

 

[Lemonade Money]

What about that excellent female coach?

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

@MartyFunkhouser said:
We got each other and thats enough for Spurs.... let's get Arne Slot

I was gutted when we didn't get Slot.

Now I'm not so sure...not because of the rocky road he's now having at Liverpool....but because of his character, when things aren't going his way or he's feeling judged, he has that horrible Dutch gene.

There would be ample opportunity for that to be on show at our club.

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

We have a squad much more suited to his system than United had at least..

Thats correct.


I was joking btw.

 

[Baleforce]

I wouldn’t say we are much better than last season. We’re about 3 points better off IIRC. If he could swap the home form for the away form I think that may go some way to appeasing the fans.

Look at how improved the defending is, the xGa is way down.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

Poch had a very poor start to his Chelsea career and he was under the cosh within the first few months. They got much better later on and you could see they would be a threat and then they sacked him. Frank will come good, he needs time.

I suppose I am living in the dark ages with the expectation for time, its all instant gratification now, in and outside of football

 

[Jurgen the German]

Look at how improved the defending is, the xGa is way down.

We still make poor errors that lead to goals. And the football is pretty dire, completely risk averse.

 

[Finney Is Back]

What I'm not seeing is any evidence of that, what I'm seeing is a guy that will play the same "don't lose, don't create risk to impose yourself regardless of the gap in talent between your team and opposition" even if he had a better striker/LW/CM, again look at United, added a better keeper, added 200M+ in front line, are the results better? yes, because they will keep out a few more, and score a few more, but realistically they still play brick.

Sorry to cut your excellent post down to just this bit but I actually think that Amorim's system might have been starting to work at Man Utd. Their numbers have improved quite considerably this season. They have the 3rd best XG in the league this season and the 6th best XGA. Their numbers so far this season say that they were likely to be playing CL football next season.

 

[SirPercyHotspur]

I suppose I am living in the dark ages with the expectation for time, its all instant gratification now, in and outside of football

There is hope of time for Frank, haven't checked the dates but when all the sack Arteta stuff was going on I think Vinai was still at The Woolwich so he will be used to it.
Even with all the doom and gloom and poor results we are just 4 points from 5th place which should get another money spinning entry into the Champions League next season but if we want another trophy Europa League would probably be better for us.

 

[Finney Is Back]

We had finished outside top 6, twice in 20 years prior to last season, with the outlier being 11th. We fudging created the concept of big 6 (it was Sky 4 before). Our average finishing position I think is 5.x for 20 years, failure to deliver the final step doesn't change the fact we were challenging (think it's also 22+ QF/SF or Final appearances in that time). We are not Villa, Everton, West Ham who had a couple of good years here or there and more brick years.

I'm sorry, the fact that Ange & Frank have our own fanbase believing that bottom half results is acceptable tells of the damage they have done, it's why the players roll over. And the longer we keep Frank, the longer this will take to reverse

Jol, Harry, AVB, Poch, Jose, Conte, Ange all showed the resources given are enough for top 5, do we need January reinforcements? yes but if this squad finishes outside of top 8, it's massive underperformance.

I don't think Ange did have us believing that. He did brilliantly getting us a 5th place finish in season 1 after losing Harry Kane. Season 2 was a terrible season in the league, where I think we would've still finished in the bottom half even without the focus moving to the Europa League. However, it was very clear on here that people didn't find it acceptable to be in the bottom half of the table, even with him having the kudos from a 5th place finish and a Europa League win. It seems to me that it is mostly the "Ange out" mob that now think it is fine for a manager to have us in the bottom half.

 

[Kandi1977]

The rationale of sacking of any coach is to bring in a better one who is a better long-term fit and who you feel can elevate /get the maximum oout of current players or better players you hope to add.

If Frank looks like he can't catch good attacking play at a club like ours it'd be better to fire him in the close-season for a new manager to have a pre-season etc. This is assuming ab better coach WOULD join us AND would actually be backed

How do you get to know if a manager is a good long term fit when you sack them after 6 monhts-1 year?

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

I don't think Ange did have us believing that. He did brilliantly getting us a 5th place finish in season 1 after losing Harry Kane. Season 2 was a terrible season in the league, where I think we would've still finished in the bottom half even without the focus moving to the Europa League. However, it was very clear on here that people didn't find it acceptable to be in the bottom half of the table, even with him having the kudos from a 5th place finish and a Europa League win. It seems to me that it is mostly the "Ange out" mob that now think it is fine for a manager to have us in the bottom half.

As much as I think Ange time was cooked, even I can't lay a life time of under achievement on him because he finished low in the table one year, especially when he won a trophy. "The have people believe its ok" massive stroke