The Overlap - some interesting comments from Ange

[fernadez]

To cover off two points in your post.

Our pool of available coaches will certainly shrink based on them seeing how we act.

Second point. I genuinely think Ange had started to change. A few of the later Europa games were shaped around not conceding. I thought he'd started to play to his strengths which was VDV and Romero at the time. Forget the league form. We were going in with a shadow defence most games playing at 50%. I think had he stayed he would have found a basic plan B for about 6-8 games per season and I think most would have been ok with that. I'm not saying he would have been a success, but it would have shown development.

For me the approaches were too far apart between Europe and the league for me to feel like that adaption was coming. It was two completely different people were managing the teams.
Maybe he would have found a middle ground? Did he do a good enough job of articualting this to the board?

 

[Mikey10]

To cover off two points in your post.

Our pool of available coaches will certainly shrink based on them seeing how we act.

Second point. I genuinely think Ange had started to change. A few of the later Europa games were shaped around not conceding. I thought he'd started to play to his strengths which was VDV and Romero at the time. Forget the league form. We were going in with a shadow defence most games playing at 50%. I think had he stayed he would have found a basic plan B for about 6-8 games per season and I think most would have been ok with that. I'm not saying he would have been a success, but it would have shown development.

For me the approaches were too far apart between Europe and the league for me to feel like that adaption was coming. It was two completely different people were managing the teams.
Maybe he would have found a middle ground? Did he do a good enough job of articualting this to the board?

VDV has said that some of the players basically dictated how to approach the last rounds of the EL. It was nothing to do with Ange - it was, according to what VDV has been reported to have said, "Play it as you see it" type stuff a la Graham Taylor.

Micky van de Ven claims Tottenham stars had to convince Postecoglou to change tactics

Postecoglou’s style of play came under plenty of scrutiny as Spurs suffered in the Premier League, though the club won the Europa League before sacking their manager

www.independent.co.uk

Which makes me believe we'd have been back to the usual nonsense in the PL had he stayed (see Forest at the start of the season for further evidence).

 

[Legohamster]

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[Yiddo]

I can’t see us signing many more South American’s

 

[Glenda's Legs]

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Somewhat ironic from him in that if we did truly match our ambitions in the transfer market then Richarlison would probably not still be here anyway.

 

[metalgear]

yeah its been highlighted here a few times and quite regularly too
we have no problem paying agents though - they get a large slice of our transfer fees if i recall correctly

Quelle surprise. He's not confirming anything we didn't already know, just some people don't want to accept it.

He says everything I've always said about the club.

 

[DeanoAustin]

It really feels like a bit of a watershed moment at the club right now. Levy has gone and the facade that we can truly succeed under ENIC's model of the last 25 years is being relentlessly exposed from within and from outside the camp. It's utter chaos and utter disarray. Fans booing players every week, players having a go the board, looking like they want out and biting back and the board looking like they've no idea what to do. In the vacuum Levy's sacking has created, it's all falling apart. It reminds me of what happens when a dictator gets ousted from a country.

It's always darkest before the dawn. We just need to survive to the summer and I do believe we'll have better days ahead.

 

[Gutter Boy]

Ex-Spurs manager in 'I wish I'd been City's manager' shocker.

 

[Finney Is Back]

D

Not much new that hasn't been discussed on here for 20 years, just confirms a few things.

Except that this confirms it.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Wow this video is in nearly every frank thread now here. Just noticed it's in the Ange thread as well talk about overkill

You know how to scroll yeah?

 

[Finney Is Back]

Hmm always take what a sacked manager says with a pinch of salt (same with Conte/Jose - Conte had a massive spend)

We bid / spoke to those 4 players he mentioned, they rejected us, I'm not sure what else you can do in that situation, we offered Semenyo more than City recently.

What other players did he want? what were his back up choices? It's easy to say I want players that ended up at City/Chelsea/United as an example of your ability to spot a player.

He's right we need more PL ready players of course we do, his suggestion the board needs to do more is also correct.

We could’ve had Semenyo in the summer but the club wouldn’t pay the transfer fee.

 

[Finney Is Back]

Listening to that he really does talk a lot of sense - Also feels like he really gets us as a club and knows the history.....

He was a breath of fresh air. Managed to win a trophy in spite of the ownership model that priorities money over glory.

 

[Finney Is Back]

I think it's really interesting the way he talks about the "S pursy" tag being an issue within the club, adding to the mentality holding us back.

I always said it came right from the top. When you are at a club where winning is the only thing, you don’t accept defeat

The aim from the top at Spurs was only to ever make top 4, that is obvious to the coaches and then the players. Redknapp, Poch, Conte and now Ange have all said words to that effect. Mourinho was sacked due to wanting to put a trophy ahead of perhaps finishing 4th.

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[Finney Is Back]

To cover off two points in your post.

Our pool of available coaches will certainly shrink based on them seeing how we act.

Second point. I genuinely think Ange had started to change. A few of the later Europa games were shaped around not conceding. I thought he'd started to play to his strengths which was VDV and Romero at the time. Forget the league form. We were going in with a shadow defence most games playing at 50%. I think had he stayed he would have found a basic plan B for about 6-8 games per season and I think most would have been ok with that. I'm not saying he would have been a success, but it would have shown development.

He had changed the way we played right from the start of the second season. We were playing reasonably well (with a few blips) before rhe injuries took hold.

I said before that season that the board hadn’t gone out and got us a big enough squad of first team players (I.e. not kids). We were suddenly going to have lots of weeks with 2 games and were 3 or 4 players short of being able to cope with that.

 

[MartyFunkhouser]

D

Except that this confirms it.

You been on the sauce? Thats what I said

 

[Finney Is Back]

For me the approaches were too far apart between Europe and the league for me to feel like that adaption was coming. It was two completely different people were managing the teams.
Maybe he would have found a middle ground? Did he do a good enough job of articualting this to the board?

Disagree. When we got the two wins against Man Utd and Brentford that pretty much guaranteed our safety we played very pragmatically. We were also more pragmatic early in the season before the injuries took hold compared to the way we played the season before (though I appreciate that we could hardly be any less pragmatic)

 

[Finney Is Back]

You been on the sauce? Thats what I said

Sorry, didn’t read your post properly.

 

[DubSpur]

It really feels like a bit of a watershed moment at the club right now. Levy has gone and the facade that we can truly succeed under ENIC's model of the last 25 years is being relentlessly exposed from within and from outside the camp. It's utter chaos and utter disarray. Fans booing players every week, players having a go the board, looking like they want out and biting back and the board looking like they've no idea what to do. In the vacuum Levy's sacking has created, it's all falling apart. It reminds me of what happens when a dictator gets ousted from a country.

It's always darkest before the dawn. We just need to survive to the summer and I do believe we'll have better days ahead.

The ones that forced the constraints that Levy worked under are still there. I don't see anything changing. They'll need to go out and get an Anderson or a Wharton in the summer to convince me that anything is changing.

 

[Kandi1977]

Absolutely, as I say, confirms a few things many suspected. What is now seemingly unclear or clear, depending on your POV is where does that line of ambition stop, now Levy has gone, for many, we should now be open to changing this whole small club, smaller wages issue. The next 12 months is going to be fascinating in that respect for me

If things don't change, and we don't see signs of REAL ambition, and willingness to take some risk, then there's only one thing that hasn't changed, and only one place to look, and that's the very top of the hierarchy.

 

[DeanoAustin]

The ones that forced the constraints that Levy worked under are still there. I don't see anything changing. They'll need to go out and get an Anderson or a Wharton in the summer to convince me that anything is changing.

I'm very, very skeptical too and have been since they booted Levy out. However, the public scrutiny is ramping up big time, it's absolute chaos on the pitch and in the stands, we've no one in the dugout and we're sliding towards the Championship. The asset is in danger of massive depreciation.

That may just be the wake-up call that's needed for them to back up some of the public promises they have made. If we carry on as we are, we will go down at some point even if it isn't this season.