The 'If You Still Need to Purge Yourself Of Ange' Thread

[veryoldspur]

Did Ange succeed at Spurs?

That would depend on your definition of succeed. If Ange succeeded so did Ramos. I ask the question, did he leave us a better team than when he joined, and in my opinion he didn't. I hated the football under that man, and whilst I will thank him for a trophy, I see him as a failure

 

[Muttley]

Any manager should get at least a season to bed in their ideas, reconstruct the squad as best they can and show to some extent the path their football will take.

The comparison to Ange is faulty. Ange wasn't sacked on the results of last season alone. He was fired for the ever progressing downward turn in first results and then performances across both seasons.

For me, this is one of the most important posts on this thread. There is a massive over-emphasis on the way it finished and not the entire journey we had under Ange. It's the entire journey that is needed for the Ange assessment.

Let's take what would have happened next and wrap those 2 years of learning into a look forward. As an example, say Ange had decided to bring some of the better EL tactics into a sort of hybrid tactical system with Ange-ball for the new league campaign. What would have happened at the first sign of trouble? Would we have had to wait 4-5 months for him to adjust again? Probably. What new narrative would Ange have come up with to defend his tactical frailties and lack of dynamism in the hot seat. Would he have said that the stonecutter hadn't reached a hundred hits of the stone yet and eventually something will work in the 26/27 season? Would he have said that it was a brand new stone as we split the last one by winning the trophy? Let's be honest, there would have always been some sort of deflecting narrative from him. There always was, even though there was also a legitimacy to a lot of the mitigating circumstances he found himself working under. The injuries were totally compromising but they also deflected the light shining on his coaching.

I know I'm being a bit cynical about him, but I do feel like he was a little all over the place in the most important aspect of his job based on the entire 100 games we saw. That was coaching. He painted over the coaching cracks with the many narratives in my opinion. I genuinely hope Frank doesn't go down that same path.

 

[fernadez]

This is so fickle, I can't believe you actually wrote it.

Explain?

Accepting doens't mean I thought he should or wanted him to, just that I had come to terms with it and could see why the decision could be made to keep him.

The Brighton game brought things back into focus about what was happening in the league, what had been happening and based on the evidence at hand what was likely to happen.

My thoughts on the matter never changed.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

This is so fickle, I can't believe you actually wrote it.

Humans are fickle. While it is pretty futile and unfair to analyse the Brighton game what it did was bring a lot of people that had changed their minds in wake of joy of the cup win back to reality and remind them why they wanted him gone by that point. Its not that people were seriously using an analysis of the Brighton game to get round to "Ange out" its that having wobbled after the final and parade, they were all sat there watching us looking totally clueless and thinking "oh actually I've had to sit through months of this sh*t and on second thoughts i'm not prepared to risk sitting through another season of it by vocally backing Ange"

 

[Bedfordspurs]

Humans are fickle. While it is pretty futile and unfair to analyse the Brighton game what it did was bring a lot of people that had changed their minds in wake of joy of the cup win back to reality and remind them why they wanted him gone by that point. Its not that people were seriously using an analysis of the Brighton game to get round to "Ange out" its that having wobbled after the final and parade, they were all sat there watching us looking totally clueless and thinking "oh actually I've had to sit through months of this sh*t and on second thoughts i'm not prepared to risk sitting through another season of it by vocally backing Ange"

And the players were still tinkled