The all new Striker thread..

[braineclipse]

No-one yet seems to have got the memo. So let me spell it out.
WE NEED STRIKERS.

Don't wait till the last minute when we will be shopping in the Saha, Pav and (the guy who was really useless..fill in your own selection here) bin.

Strikers cost money. Good strikers cost big money. Let's get going here ffs.

So much for some transfer window patience..

Most here seem to agree that we need to sign a striker or two. Just because people don't agree with the kind of striker or how much we should spend on a striker doesn't mean we didn't "get the memo".

Looking at our striker signings in the past I'm not sure a "let's get going and spend big money" approach is the way to go.

 

[Pirate55]

So much for some transfer window patience..

Most here seem to agree that we need to sign a striker or two. Just because people don't agree with the kind of striker or how much we should spend on a striker doesn't mean we didn't "get the memo".

Looking at our striker signings in the past I'm not sure a "let's get going and spend big money" approach is the way to go.

The point is if we leave it too long we could well be left with the dross to chose from. That is why we need to sort out our key striker targets NOW

 

[milo]

The point is if we leave it too long we could well be left with the dross to chose from. That is why we need to sort out our key striker targets NOW

The only way that you will do that is if you pay the full asking price (upfront) and inflated wages. If you try to cut a deal in any way the selling club and player will hold out to see if a better offer comes along. This is why 90% of transfers happen in the last few days of the window.

 

[braineclipse]

The point is if we leave it too long we could well be left with the dross to chose from. That is why we need to sort out our key striker targets NOW

But what if our key striker targets are also being looked at by bigger clubs? They might not be willing to move, and their clubs might not be willing to agree a fee, until the bigger clubs have made their choices and moved on. Being impatient might just as well lose us a a "key striker target" as securing one.

We're not even in July yet...

 

[Pirate55]

But the RIGHT striker costs time and research skills

Big money does not equal big success

Wrong. RVP, Suarez, Tevez, Aguero, Sanchez.Rooney, Costa in this country, Bale, Ronaldo, Neymar, Messi. Strikers that hade a CRUCIAL difference to their teams success following big money transfers. Big money is what top strikers cost.

 

[Jordinho]

Wrong. RVP, Suarez, Tevez, Aguero, Sanchez.Rooney, Costa in this country, Bale, Ronaldo, Neymar, Messi. Strikers that hade a CRUCIAL difference to their teams success following big money transfers. Big money is what top strikers cost.

Carroll, Torres, Morientes, Soldado, Schevchenko. Some of them even came with that vital PL experience.

 

[Pirate55]

The only way that you will do that is if you pay the full asking price (upfront) and inflated wages. If you try to cut a deal in any way the selling club and player will hold out to see if a better offer comes along. This is why 90% of transfers happen in the last few days of the window.

We have the foundation of a good team. We need to sprinkle some stardust. Playing brinkmanship is too risky when we are sitting on probably £50m of surplus players. Two 25m key target buys is hardly breaking the bank. Get em in now.

 

[Pirate55]

Carroll, Torres, Morientes, Soldado, Schevchenko. Some of them even came with that vital PL experience.

Torres was a great success at Liverscum. Didn't they win the CL with him in the team?

 

[milo]

Wrong. RVP, Suarez, Tevez, Aguero, Sanchez.Rooney, Costa in this country, Bale, Ronaldo, Neymar, Messi. Strikers that hade a CRUCIAL difference to their teams success following big money transfers. Big money is what top strikers cost.

I think that you've missed the point MB was making.

 

[milo]

We have the foundation of a good team. We need to sprinkle some stardust. Playing brinkmanship is too risky when we are sitting on probably £50m of surplus players. Two 25m key target buys is hardly breaking the bank. Get em in now.

Your preferred target is not going to come in for £25m at this stage of the window and if we signed him now we would probably have to make him our highest earner (and then have every other senior player ask for a pay rise).

 

[Pirate55]

But what if our key striker targets are also being looked at by bigger clubs? They might not be willing to move, and their clubs might not be willing to agree a fee, until the bigger clubs have made their choices and moved on. Being impatient might just as well lose us a a "key striker target" as securing one.

We're not even in July yet...

I agree we can't do anything about that. But we shouldnt be over haggling either. Set out our stall and hope to convince our targets we really want them..and not just as a default position ( by us or them).

 

[braineclipse]

Wrong. RVP, Suarez, Tevez, Aguero, Sanchez.Rooney, Costa in this country, Bale, Ronaldo, Neymar, Messi. Strikers that hade a CRUCIAL difference to their teams success following big money transfers. Big money is what top strikers cost.

You really think those are relevant examples for us in our current situation?

Torres was a great success at Liverscum. Didn't they win the CL with him in the team?

You're really not understanding what Barry or Jordinho are saying. Just because there have been some high profile, big money successful signings doesn't mean that money equals success. Some expensive players fail, some succeed. Listing a lot that succeeded doesn't change that.

Spending big on a striker now is one option. But it's not the only way to succeed. Arguably our two most expensive strikers in recent memory have failed (Soldado, and adjusting for inflation Rebrov. Berbatov was reasonably expensive, but not massively so as others that have essentially failed have cost around the same or even more. When we got into the CL it was with a strike force that was picked up reasonably cheaply.

Yet you go on and on like spending big is the only sensible option right now...

 

[braineclipse]

I agree we can't do anything about that. But we shouldnt be over haggling either. Set out our stall and hope to convince our targets we really want them..and not just as a default position ( by us or them).

And at this point, June 22nd, this is where you know that we're on the wrong side of that balance between over haggling and just spending carelessly? And that everyone else are wrong about this?

Right...

 

[Pirate55]

I think that you've missed the point MB was making.

You can over research things too... And do nothing. Paralysis by analysis. Our motto is to dare is to do. Not sit back and wait to see who no one else wants and then swoop in the bargain bucket bin.

 

[indianspur]

here is a new name ..............Clinton Njie at Lyon. However im not sure Aulas will want to deal with Levy again

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015...ks-with-clinton-njie-attacker-keen-on-totte/?

 

[Pirate55]

You really think those are relevant examples for us in our current situation?



You're really not understanding what Barry or Jordinho are saying. Just because there have been some high profile, big money successful signings doesn't mean that money equals success. Some expensive players fail, some succeed. Listing a lot that succeeded doesn't change that.

Spending big on a striker now is one option. But it's not the only way to succeed. Arguably our two most expensive strikers in recent memory have failed (Soldado, and adjusting for inflation Rebrov. Berbatov was reasonably expensive, but not massively so as others that have essentially failed have cost around the same or even more. When we got into the CL it was with a strike force that was picked up reasonably cheaply.

Yet you go on and on like spending big is the only sensible option right now...

Sorry, I can't agree there. Strikers that cost reasonably big money have served us pretty well. Berbatov, Keane, Defoe, Crouch. Going further back, big Chiv, Greavsie, Linaker. Where does this skinflinting equals success come from?

 

[braineclipse]

You can over research things too... And do nothing. Paralysis by analysis. Our motto is to dare is to do. Not sit back and wait to see who no one else wants and then swoop in the bargain bucket bin.

And again, at this point you think this is a risk for us? We've signed two players already this summer to add to Alli being confirmed in January and joining up with us now. Not even the end of June...

Am I right in saying that Depay is the only £10m+ incoming transfer for a PL club at this point? Arsenal and City have done no business from what I can see, Chelsea have signed a youngster...

Yeah. Seems like the time to be making statements like this one.

 

[Yoof]

Messi came through Barca's academy.

 

[braineclipse]

Sorry, I can't agree there. Strikers that cost reasonably big money have served us pretty well. Berbatov, Keane, Defoe, Crouch. Going further back, big Chiv, Greavsie, Linaker. Where does this skinflinting equals success come from?

So the £10-15m price range is what we should be looking at?

Who said anything about skin flinting? You list the players you do above, you argue that we should spend £32m on Benteke as a no brainer iirc. When people disagree apparently skin flinting is the option they're arguing? Can you try, just for a second, to not view this as an issue quite as polarized as that?

3 of those recent buys you mentioned were fairly opportunistic. Keane (Leeds financial issues) and Defoe+Crouch (Pompey financial issues) were not us going out to match a release clause for a player like Benteke. Similarly Berbatov was not us going balls to the wall to sign a top rated player on the continent. 2 of them our manager had worked with before, Keane was PL proven. The Berbatov signing had apparently been thoroughly scouted and worked on by the club over time.

Your examples just don't line up with the kind of hyperbolic statements you're making.

 

[indianspur]

Sorry, I can't agree there. Strikers that cost reasonably big money have served us pretty well. Berbatov, Keane, Defoe, Crouch. Going further back, big Chiv, Greavsie, Linaker. Where does this skinflinting equals success come from?

I think we need the right striker. Look, we have Kane which is an amazing thing. Imagine if he did what he did last season but for another club. We would have to fork out over 40 mill to buy him.

So we have him, now we have to go out and find the right striker who can be his back up and also be able to play with him.