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Sick sick world what is wrong with people

Silly McSilly Face said:
The other comments as well "why did he stand in front of a car?" It is obvious from tje footage what he was doing, he went to the front of the car to obtain footage/photo from his phone of the driver. At the time he went to do that the vehicle was stationery, the vehicle reversed when the colleague attempted to open the drivers door, then drove forward at which point the agent in front of the vehicle drops the phone, pulls his gun and opens fire
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Not if you wish hard enough.

Clearly if you close your eyes and wish and wish and wish that ICE are evil baddies because you didn't vote for their boss, what happened changes.
 
MartyFunkhouser said:
Wrong.....he already had all that footage before he stood infront of the car, he started in front, goes driver side " im not mad at you", went round, filmed her rear plates then her partner "go get your lunch" and then decided to stand in front of the car.

It's literally in the footage obtained from his own phone

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The car isn't moving when he moves to the front. He's not acting tactically or trying to arrest at that point, he's filming evidence with his phone.

He has no reason to suspect the occupant will either resist arrest or try and drive into him.
 
scaramanga said:
The car isn't moving when he moves to the front. He's not acting tactically or trying to arrest at that point, he's filming evidence with his phone.

He has no reason to suspect the occupant will either resist arrest or try and drive into him.
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Once his colleague makes moves to the passenger side the game changes and ambling in front of the car is a tactical fail. As said by scores of experts, lacked any coordinated approach

I trust them over two blokes on here, one of which can't even tell whats happening in a clear video and present the facts from it
 
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MartyFunkhouser said:
Wrong.....he already had all that footage before he stood infront of the car, he started in front, goes driver side " im not mad at you", went round, filmed her rear plates then her partner "go get your lunch" and then decided to stand in front of the car.

It's literally in the footage obtained from his own phone

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its not wrong, its exactly what happened. Yes he had already obtained a lot of footage walking around the car, but he went to the front and was holding his phone up at the windshield when one of his colleagues went to open the driver's door, at that point the vehicle reverses back and then drives forward.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
its not wrong, its exactly what happened. Yes he had already obtained a lot of footage walking around the car, but he went to the front and was holding his phone up at the windshield when one of his colleagues went to open the driver's door, at that point the vehicle reverses back and then drives forward.
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And he had no reason to be stood in front of the car filming when he had the footage which is needed, literally the point, tactically he was a macaron, he had what he needed and put himself in front of a car. They also argue, pretty much to a person that filming a developing situation divides attention at that point and there is zero reason to do so
 
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MartyFunkhouser said:
Once his colleague makes moves to the passenger side the game changes and ambling in front of the car is a tactical fail. As said by scores of experts, lacked any coordinated approach

I trust them over two blokes on here, one of which can't even tell whats happening in a clear video and present the facts from it
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He didn't amble in front of the car after his colleague moved to the paasenger door, he was already stood in front of the car pointing his phone at the driver when that happened. He probably wasn't even aware of his colleagues actions as he was looking at his phone obtaining the footage. You're right that the situation rapidly changes when his colleague makes a move, the car reverses suddenly and starts to moves forward at pace, her intention from footage appears to be to drive away to the right, unfortunately the initial movement is forward before she adjusts the steering wheel fully, he had a split second to react and by time he's drawn his gun to shoot she's started to turn but his move to the gun was initiated by the initial move forwards which was towards him.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
He didn't amble in front of the car after his colleague moved to the paasenger door, he was already stood in front of the car pointing his phone at the driver when that happened. He probably wasn't even aware of his colleagues actions as he was looking at his phone obtaining the footage. You're right that the situation rapidly changes when his colleague makes a move, the car reverses suddenly and starts to moves forward at pace, her intention from footage appears to be to drive away to the right, unfortunately the initial movement is forward before she adjusts the steering wheel fully, he had a split second to react and by time he's drawn his gun to shoot she's started to turn but his move to the gun was initiated by the initial move forwards which was towards him.
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He absolutely ambles, more interested in filming than being aware of the situation, that plays into the other criticism of divided attention.

Its an absolute shambles of what should have been a coordinated approach

There is literally no subheading that says "standing in front of a car is a practice widely discouraged due to inherent danger" *unless you are filming on your mobile phone, that's an absolutely shambolic response.

A retired LAPD SWAT lieutenant who now teaches use-of-force techniques to officers across the country, said that departments have discouraged car shootings because of the potential danger it creates.

“Bad tactics always lead to bad shootings,” he said. “Even if you’re trying to arrest someone who’s trying to flee, that should not result in an automatic death sentence.
 
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thfcsteff said:
There are some egregious and utterly disgraceful tropes being hammered in this thread, with the sort of wind-up, provocative language I expect from bots.
What a low-spot we’ve hit.
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I deleted comments I had made in exchange with a member of this forum. I did so because it is utterly pointless to engage with them and dignify their posts.
I’m going to try and hold myself to a higher standard.
 
scaramanga said:
They would and could never have been removed from the situation calmly because they were there to escalate the situation and film it for fudgewits on the internet to gawp at.

They want escalation, they cannot be talked down. That's why they had their phones out.
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So how do you explain the maggot murderer having his phone out?
 
Gutter Boy said:
Even as a WASP (well a no P atheist anyway), i wouldn't set foot in America if you paid me millions. It feels like an absolute failed state, descending into civil war and fascism
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Yet most of America isn't like that at all. You can go right across the East coast without seeing any of what's going on.

If, of course, you choose to intentionally block armed agents from doing their job, you'll get to see it really close up.
 
Gutter Boy said:
Even as a WASP (well a no P atheist anyway), i wouldn't set foot in America if you paid me millions. It feels like an absolute failed state, descending into civil war and fascism
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Becoming an impossible place to do business with in my industry and literally the entire industry has turned its back on it. Especially as sending event managers over to run events has seen people met with over zealous border control even with all correct papers to work and run events in the country.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
Also it was only immense luck, that the woman's partner was not shot as well. How do these maggots (ICE) justify her life being put in danger, after all, she was not in control of the 'deadly weapon'?
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Imagine rounding up all the racist farmers in Lincolnshire and Essex. Giving them big weapons and state encouragement and authority to hunt all the black and brown people in their counties. And what do you think is going to happen? They are just a private army of vigilantes, they don't intend to justify.
 
Gilzeantoscore said:
What crime was that? All I saw was her exercising her First Amendment rights to public protest. Oh sorry, sorry, I forgot that IS a crime in a fascist state. that much is clear enough. Conform or die!
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Keep up. I mentioned it earlier today.

18 USC 111 makes it a crime to (amongst other things) impede an agent from performing their duties.

It also has been used to prosecute people fleeing from arrest and/or refusing to leave their vehicles.

So only the three federal crimes.
 
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