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Sick sick world what is wrong with people

Arrived in the back of a lorry from Afghanistan so probably initially illegal.
Converted to Christianty to make it dangerous for him to be sent back.
 
scaramanga said:
That's not how claiming land works. Anyone can pick any particular date in history and use that to show that a part of land belongs to a particular group.

Picking a random date, most of Southern England belongs to Italy, pick another and it belongs to Denmark, etc, etc.
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That only argues the Palestinian point. In this dynamic Israel is the equivalent of Denmark or Italy trying to claim that back. It's actually more ludicrous then that because they left en masse before the Roman's and almost 1,000 years before the Danes.
 
Craig_J said:
That only argues the Palestinian point. In this dynamic Israel is the equivalent of Denmark or Italy trying to claim that back. It's actually more ludicrous then that because they left en masse before the Roman's and almost 1,000 years before the Danes.
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Left or made to leave?
 
scaramanga said:
Israel is a democracy - it is not controlled by religion. The current government lean that way but that hasn't and won't always be the case.

That land didn't mean anything to anyone until some people showed up that they didn't like. The population density pre-WWII was virtually nil, nobody built it up, nobody had any form of anything resembling a city there. It only became important when the people who believed some paedophile who told them his imaginary friend hates Jews didn't want the Jews there.
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This idea that you keep repeating that the land was empty and no one cared is something that has been constantly used to 'legitimise' the creation of Israel. As with the lie that the Nakba was driven by the Palestinian leaders telling their people to flee, both ideas have been disproved so many times yet keep resurfacing.

The population density of mandate Palestine was higher than that of neighbouring countries such as Transjordan or Syria so it wasn't 'empty' and your (somewhat questionable) argument that there were no cities or development (Jaffa was a fairly busy city and port for example) suggests that if the population wasn't urbanised then the ground was actually even more occupied then in more 'developed' countries.

Not sure what you mean by 'it didn't mean anything' - the land meant everything to those living on it. There may not have been an overt political movement but initially there was no threat (or knowledge of the British lies) so how would you expect people going about their lives to display how much they cared for their land??

Mandate Palestine had a greater population density than 1930s Ireland as a non-regional comparison. Think of the uproar if a new colony of non-indigenous people had suddenly been given the rights to Ireland in 1948 as it was considered primitive and unoccupied.

Israel is a partial democracy as the allowance of the vote and representation does not extend to all the people in the land it occupies, both legally and illegally. It's constitution and founding ethos is explicitly theocratic (and also pushes the 'river to the sea' concept so calling Palestinians out on that is hypocritical and as we are seeing now, actually the intent of the current government).
 
Lost Mango said:
This idea that you keep repeating that the land was empty and no one cared is something that has been constantly used to 'legitimise' the creation of Israel. As with the lie that the Nakba was driven by the Palestinian leaders telling their people to flee, both ideas have been disproved so many times yet keep resurfacing.

The population density of mandate Palestine was higher than that of neighbouring countries such as Transjordan or Syria so it wasn't 'empty' and your (somewhat questionable) argument that there were no cities or development (Jaffa was a fairly busy city and port for example) suggests that if the population wasn't urbanised then the ground was actually even more occupied then in more 'developed' countries.

Not sure what you mean by 'it didn't mean anything' - the land meant everything to those living on it. There may not have been an overt political movement but initially there was no threat (or knowledge of the British lies) so how would you expect people going about their lives to display how much they cared for their land??

Mandate Palestine had a greater population density than 1930s Ireland as a non-regional comparison. Think of the uproar if a new colony of non-indigenous people had suddenly been given the rights to Ireland in 1948 as it was considered primitive and unoccupied.

Israel is a partial democracy as the allowance of the vote and representation does not extend to all the people in the land it occupies, both legally and illegally. It's constitution and founding ethos is explicitly theocratic (and also pushes the 'river to the sea' concept so calling Palestinians out on that is hypocritical and as we are seeing now, actually the intent of the current government).
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Israel and Palestine are about 27,000km² combined. Population of non-Jews before the Jewish population started rapidly increasing was around 275k.

That's 10 people per square km (or, in simple terms, uninhabited) before Jews started turning up and people decided they didn't want them there.
 
scaramanga said:
Israel and Palestine are about 27,000km² combined. Population of non-Jews before the Jewish population started rapidly increasing was around 275k.

That's 10 people per square km (or, in simple terms, uninhabited) before Jews started turning up and people decided they didn't want them there.
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About 275K in 1800 agreed - 150 years before Israel was created and you had a go at someone for picking random dates to support an argument.


722k in 1914 - with the jewish population still only representing only less than 5% of the population as a whole.

Nice, arbitrary selective data mongering though.

Mandate Palestine was 25,585km2 (doesn't include illegally occupied areas such as the Golan presumably) so that is a density of 28 people per square km which was denser than regional equivalents and denser than some 'first world' developed countries. I've never said it was a teeming metropolis but to claim it was uninhabited is just your usual prejudicial lecturings to justify your support for Israel and their hafrada regime.

Even if it only had one person owning it and living there it wouldn't have been "uninhabited" - in fact there were 3/4 of a million people there.
 
Australia currently has a population density of 3 people per square km (and it has 'cities' cos that is obviously an important factor!!!!!

Think I'll just go and claim a large chunk of it as 'uninhabited' and therefore free to a first come first serve basis. that how it works, right?
 
Lost Mango said:
Australia currently has a population density of 3 people per square km (and it has 'cities' cos that is obviously an important factor!!!!!

Think I'll just go and claim a large chunk of it as 'uninhabited' and therefore free to a first come first serve basis. that how it works, right?
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I suspect you could wander off into the uninhabited (and largely uninhabitable) parts and live without anyone noticing or caring.
 
Lost Mango said:
Australia currently has a population density of 3 people per square km (and it has 'cities' cos that is obviously an important factor!!!!!

Think I'll just go and claim a large chunk of it as 'uninhabited' and therefore free to a first come first serve basis. that how it works, right?
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Personally as a human being who is descended from Ethiopians I would like to be able to have my own country put in Ethiopia so that we can claim what was ours.

Forget what's going on now and the fact my ancestors long left that area. I want to be able to focus on thousands of years ago and the fact that as a human we were there first.
 
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