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AuroRaman said:
Ah yes, another nonsensical propaganda point I keep seeing trotted out to the backwater inbreds to amplify.

It’s a slogan. The point of the slogan is to declare that Palestinians will be free from oppression and occupation. It rhymes and everything. Of course, some will and have used it as a statement of evil intention. But it’s important to be fair and factual as to why most use it. Or is that antisemitic? Much of the rhetoric coming from the IDF and government is promoting genocide and ethnics cleansing. But I’m guessing that sits ok with you.
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Of course, and disgusting chants like "There ain't no black in the union jack" are just statements of fact, and not calling for expulsion of minority groups. Every racist group will publicly claim not to be racist, it's no different with anti-Semites.

If the IDF or their supporters were marching on the streets of London and genuinely calling for ethnic cleansing then I'd be making the same statements about them.
 
scaramanga said:
Of course, and disgusting chants like "There ain't no black in the union jack" are just statements of fact, and not calling for expulsion of minority groups. Every racist group will publicly claim not to be racist, it's no different with anti-Semites.

If the IDF or their supporters were marching on the streets of London and genuinely calling for ethnic cleansing then I'd be making the same statements about them.
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You are in zero position to decide what is racist and what isn’t with your posting history. And repeatedly trying to bring a comparison between actual, well-known vile racist groups and everyday citizens gets more ridiculous each time you attempt it.

We’re both idiots for engaging in another round of your disingenuous attempts to distract from the actual issue of what is happening to Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. I hope you have a brilliant evening because that would mean we won against the blue scum.
 
My opinion is that these marches are attended primarily by those protesting against Jewish people existing.

I'm concerned that it's not obvious to everyone that that is what's going on here.

It's just racism.

Ceasefire is easy, all the Palestinians have to do is release the hostages and hand over Hamas, it'll be over by the weekend. Something tells me that won't happen.
 
AuroRaman said:
You are in zero position to decide what is racist and what isn’t with your posting history. And repeatedly trying to bring a comparison between actual, well-known vile racist groups and everyday citizens gets more ridiculous each time you attempt it.

We’re both idiots for engaging in another round of your disingenuous attempts to distract from the actual issue of what is happening to Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. I hope you have a brilliant evening because that would mean we won against the blue scum.
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No well-known, vile racists groups organising the march? You sure of that?

It's absolutely not pointless engaging here. You're better than those groups, I know you are. And I believe you genuinely detest racism in all forms. But you're unwittingly helping these anti-Semites in their attempts to normalise and spread their hatred of Jews. However unlikely it is, if I can convince you, then that's one less supporter on their side. Then on to the next.
 
scaramanga said:
No well-known, vile racists groups organising the march? You sure of that?

It's absolutely not pointless engaging here. You're better than those groups, I know you are. And I believe you genuinely detest racism in all forms. But you're unwittingly helping these anti-Semites in their attempts to normalise and spread their hatred of Jews. However unlikely it is, if I can convince you, then that's one less supporter on their side. Then on to the next.
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You’ve just highlighted why it’s pointless. Coming from a position of ‘I’m not going to listen to anything you have to say, I’ll just try to convince you I’m right but with extra patronisation’ is useless.

Baleforce said these marches are primarily being attended by people who don’t want Jewish people existing and that he’s concerned they can’t see that’s racist. That in itself is racist because once again Palestinians are being dehumanised as a non-concern over the ridiculous notion that the majority marching want Jews eradicated. Hundreds of millions, possibly billions of people around the world don’t want a humanitarian catastrophe to extend into full on ethnic cleansing and genocide. Britons also because our taxes are paying for it and our government doesn’t support a ceasefire. Apart from extremist dingdongheads, this has nothing to do with the Jewishness of any single individual.

This won’t end with the hostages being released. Palestinians have been living under occupation and apartheid for 75 years. There are also 5000+ hostages in Israel including children. I assume they don’t matter though because it would be anti-Semitic to expect their release and all of them including the children are Hamas (spoiler alert: they are not). Expecting Palestinian civilians to ‘hand over Hamas’ when half of them are children, they’re being pulverised on all fronts and trying not to die, and the leaders aren’t even in the country, is the war version of ‘why can’t homeless people just buy a house?’

This chap explains it well. And i’d urge you and anyone else who thinks people are ‘racist’ marching for a ceasefire and liberation of Palestinian people to view the other posts on that account. You don’t have to comment on it, but if watching the footage and witnessing war crimes still keeps you in a position of ‘blame Hamas’ and ‘everyone is racist for not letting the fascist Israeli government kill babies’, then I would suggest you are the problem and we really are at end game humanity:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzT7lOSLmXG/?igshid=MWxtOGFnY28zMnhibg==

And with that I’m out. I expect there will be some trouble or nonsense next weekend between culture war specialists and extremist actors. And despite the overwhelming majority being peaceful as with any March or protest, the ‘I told you so’ phalanx will come out like rats off a ship to once again dehumanise the Palestinian people and make it about antisemitism, as Israel has so successfully PR’d to the rest of the world since the Nakba.

Enjoy being ‘right’, I’ll stick to being human.
 
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AuroRaman said:
You’ve just highlighted why it’s pointless. Coming from a position of ‘I’m not going to listen to anything you have to say, I’ll just try to convince you I’m right but with extra patronisation’ is useless.

Baleforce said these marches are primarily being attended by people who don’t want Jewish people existing and that he’s concerned they can’t see that’s racist. That in itself is racist because once again Palestinians are being dehumanised as a non-concern over the ridiculous notion that the majority marching want Jews eradicated. Hundreds of millions, possibly billions of people around the world don’t want a humanitarian catastrophe to extend into full on ethnic cleansing and genocide. Britons also because our taxes are paying for it and our government doesn’t support a ceasefire. Apart from extremist dingdongheads, this has nothing to do with the Jewishness of any single individual.

This won’t end with the hostages being released. Palestinians have been living under occupation and apartheid for 75 years. There are also 5000+ hostages in Israel including children. I assume they don’t matter though because it would be anti-Semitic to expect their release and all of them including the children are Hamas (spoiler alert: they are not). Expecting Palestinian civilians to ‘hand over Hamas’ when half of them are children, they’re being pulverised on all fronts and trying not to die, and the leaders aren’t even in the country, is the war version of ‘why can’t homeless people just buy a house?’

This chap explains it well. And i’d urge you and anyone else who thinks people are ‘racist’ marching for a ceasefire and liberation of Palestinian people to view the other posts on that account. You don’t have to comment on it, but if watching the footage and witnessing war crimes still keeps you in a position of ‘blame Hamas’ and ‘everyone is racist for not letting the fascist Israeli government kill babies’, then I would suggest you are the problem and we really are at end game humanity:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzT7lOSLmXG/?igshid=MWxtOGFnY28zMnhibg==

And with that I’m out. I expect there will be some trouble or nonsense next weekend between culture war specialists and extremist actors. And despite the overwhelming majority being peaceful as with any March or protest, the ‘I told you so’ phalanx will come out like rats off a ship to once again dehumanise the Palestinian people and make it about antisemitism, as Israel has so successfully PR’d to the rest of the world since the Nakba.

Enjoy being ‘right’, I’ll stick to being human.
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Stick to being an uneducated macaron

Stop using phrases like apartheid and occupation with literally no idea that they are incorrect in this context

(No need to reply to me, I've put you on ignore as I'm sure you're entrenched with your views... just wanted to call you out for being wrong. COYS)
 
kb 1984 said:
When did people become so stupid. I doubt they even understand what the protests are about
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Something, something, millennials.

It's also fairly likely that moderate to extreme learning difficulties are more prevalent amongst those who regularly attend protests.
 
kb 1984 said:
When did people become so stupid. I doubt they even understand what the protests are about
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I honestly don’t think most people do.

Reports this morning large numbers of EDL and Football alliance muppets are heading down from their northern brickholes, I’m sure they have honourable intentions.
 
dawaxman said:
Stick to being an uneducated macaron

Stop using phrases like apartheid and occupation with literally no idea that they are incorrect in this context

(No need to reply to me, I've put you on ignore as I'm sure you're entrenched with your views... just wanted to call you out for being wrong. COYS)
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I’ll respond for the purposes of everyone else that is aware you’ve been an entitled, disingenuous and arrogant prick in this thread. Nothing I have stated is false.

If a forum post was the fascist Israeli government, it would be the one I’m replying to. COYS.
 
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scaramanga said:
If you can find a single interview with a protester that understands the situation out there, then that post has merit.

But it's unlikely, as anyone with an understanding wouldn't be protesting.
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I posted one in my previous response to you. I also urged you to look at the other posts on that account. I’m guessing you didn’t?

I must admit I am a bit intimidated to respond to you now that I have read you are the most knowledgable person on this forum about the situation in another thread. I mean I know it was self-professed but still….
 
The politicisation of Rembrance day absolutely does my head in. It is not meant to be a left or right wing issue, it's quite the opposite it's about peace and remembering those who died fighting for it and anyone can do that. That the day has been appropriated by the far right and others on the right of society is absolutely laughable, given that so many lost their lives fighting fascism whose entire philosophy was to divide, discriminate and suppress. I normally wear my poppy with pride and I am wearing it at the moment but tbh the language around it makes me want to say bollox to it. @markysimmo in particular, have a word with yourself and your mates and remember what armistice day means before threatening violence. Shame on you.
 
Robspur12 said:
The politicisation of Rembrance day absolutely does my head in. It is not meant to be a left or right wing issue, it's quite the opposite it's about peace and remembering those who died fighting for it and anyone can do that. That the day has been appropriated by the far right and others on the right of society is absolutely laughable, given that so many lost their lives fighting fascism whose entire philosophy was to divide, discriminate and suppress. I normally wear my poppy with pride and I am wearing it at the moment but tbh the language around it makes me want to say bollox to it. @markysimmo in particular, have a word with yourself and your mates and remember what armistice day means before threatening violence. Shame on you.
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Hahaha where did I personally threaten violence, all I said was with tens of thousands of ex and serving armed forces in London on Sunday good luck if they try any brick
 
AuroRaman said:
I posted one in my previous response to you. I also urged you to look at the other posts on that account. I’m guessing you didn’t?

I must admit I am a bit intimidated to respond to you now that I have read you are the most knowledgable person on this forum about the situation in another thread. I mean I know it was self-professed but still….
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You posted a link to Instagram - wrong generation, I'm afraid.

I just watched as far as the word genocide, that's as much as I needed to see to prove my point.
 
Robspur12 said:
The politicisation of Rembrance day absolutely does my head in. It is not meant to be a left or right wing issue, it's quite the opposite it's about peace and remembering those who died fighting for it and anyone can do that. That the day has been appropriated by the far right and others on the right of society is absolutely laughable, given that so many lost their lives fighting fascism whose entire philosophy was to divide, discriminate and suppress. I normally wear my poppy with pride and I am wearing it at the moment but tbh the language around it makes me want to say bollox to it. @markysimmo in particular, have a word with yourself and your mates and remember what armistice day means before threatening violence. Shame on you.
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As lovely as that sentiment is, we also have to remember that those people died because the only way to stop the fascists and anti-Semites was to fight them and defeat them. It's still worth fighting for.
 
It does seem unnecessary that everyone is trying to jump in on remembrance weekend. Unless that is the plan? Why not make the protest the weekend before or after?

People absolutely should protest about the plight of innocent people in Gaza. Is there a lack of knowledge and understanding (on both sides)? Without doubt. It is quite easy to 'auto-support' Palastine, as they are the underdog, trapped and impoverished side. But there is a whole complexity to the situation. Not least that Israel was attacked by fundamentalists who control Gaza. Not least Gaza only exists as a semi-autonomous state now because Israel was attacked in the 1960s. And it was part of Egypt prior, who doesn't want it back now. Do the people on these marches even consider this? It doesn't seem like many even know, let alone build a fair and balanced view. You have Queers for Palestine when Palestine has banned gay people for decades, and people not even aware Hamas went on a murder spree in Israel; so no wonder many don't appreciate some of the more nuanced complex history. But when peace comes it will be from an understanding of both sides' issues, so it seems these marches could be creating greater entrenchment without understanding. Resulting in deeper division and more anger.
 
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