monkeybarry
Ian Walker
however, car pooling IS a good idea!
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Privatisation of the Motorways
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however, car pooling IS a good idea!
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
Sadly Scara, as technology moves on we are going to have to accept that the authorities will seek to control our speed. We already have to live with hideous average speed checks and I can only see these becoming the norm in the future. Bottom line is the limit is 70mph. I never do 70 unless forced to and hate being controlled by anyone or anything but can only see one outcome.
With regard to tolls, it is very simple to put a price structure on allowing locals or frequent users to pay less. This is how future tolls will be rather that a one size fits all scheme.
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
Why do people always use the US as an example? There's is a poor model. The NHS is brick, over bloated and offers a terrible service. It's not something to be proud of and it's a huge money drain. A lot of the European countries have the best systems.
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
We can but hope that we can finally ditch the modern myth of "socialism" as a working society mechanism.
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
you need some elements of socialism in the working society, otherwise you create nothing more than a culture whereby everyone has to try and reach "the top" and, of course, in the than mechanism the top never exists
lets not confuse socialism with "a hand out, lazy culture" - its a support and help culture (ie "welfare" rather than "benefits") that should allow everyone to live in an ok manner and allow all aspects to flourish, not just capitalism
maybe you want a society of nothing more than sales people - but its not for me, we need to consider people as well
The Moonlit Knight
Banned
I want a society that is closer to our natural roots. Basically, survival of the fittest (within compassionate reason). Anything else, and we'll ultimately weaken ourselves and cause our own downfall.
Thankfully society has evolved from this view.
WookieD
Didier Zokora
Of course you're right to a point. Personally I think we should start a new scheme giving anyone U21 with no existing dependants that wants to be sterilised, lifetime housing support, signing on benefit and subsidised McDonalds and Elizabeth Duke shopping cards.
Of course, that would lead to a massively greying population and more immigration a necessity... Sort of phase out a generation of useless arses with people that have a work ethic...
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
i dont want to go down the whole "define what it is to be English" etc as that would just become political debate
but when you say "natural roots" - what/when are you refering to? and how do you think it
a) fits in with modern society and societies needs (society as a whole - not just certain sections) and
b) how you think it was benefit society (when weighing the positives vs the negatives it would create)
im not stirring, genuinely interested to hear your views
Dorothy
Willem Korsten
What exactly has been suggested in relation to privatising the motorways ? There appear to be lots of anger and no firm details whatsoever ? There are trials in progress regarding raising motorway speed limits to 80mph and I thought I heard the early results were positive. As wookie said the area around Heathrow is a bloody joke. The system needs huge investment and improvement but it appears that many are dead set against improvement and paying for it. Same old issue. People want, want, want but are not willing to pay for it. Yet.. everyone talks of the importance to them of being able to drive, of having their car and we have an increasing population. The only barrier against their being more cars on the road right now is the price of fuel and the recession. All of these alluded to, new toll roads have to go somewhere which means more green belt land destoryed, more pollution and just more cars. Those businesses that have to absorb toll charges will simply pass them on. It is a vicious cycle but we take far too much for granted. I love to drive, love the freedom it gives me and hate traffic jams so I'd pay if I could to avoid that sort of thing. Alas we all need to stop and think about the part we play in all of this.
I think some of the proposals are to build new motorways but in return allowing the company who built it to charge a toll. Apart from that, I don't know. I can't see how they can turn a profit filling in potholes that we complain about, I can see them being even less than willing to fill in potholes than the council as they are a private business.
Market forces. If the road is brick people avoid it and they make no money.
Gordinho
Banned
Sadly, when companies conspire to offer a uniformly brick service while profiteering we all still use them because there are no decent alternatives. Well that's how it often feels when dealing with mobile phone and energy providers.
I agree in principle that market forces should determine what happens, however, I can't see how they will recoup on say a road that they can't put a toll on
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
and those are markets that have mass choice!!
i think the Trains are the closest comparison - and we all know how that is
its not like a company are going to suddently "build a new road" to get from A to B or we will have 3 or 4 choices of road, it will just companies making big money out of people living (working, travelling for holiday etc) - the only place that won't be taxed is actually staying at home, sitting on your sofa or the air we breath
Dorothy
Willem Korsten
Tricky one. I'd pay to avoid congestion and I would pay to drive on decent roads. That said if my car gets damaged on any road due to the lack of upkeep of said road then I will be seeking damages. Especially when no action is taken to let motorists know their are gaping holes in the road. Should a council say 'Apologies, due to inclement weather the road is badly holed please drive cautiously and place a 10mph limit then hey ho'. To allow tolls then you require another quango to 'monitor' these companies to ensure that users get value for money. If you look at the growing European model though it is to charge people for every ferkucking thing you can charge them for. Whether the Government charge us directly, privatise or raise the cost of motoring to the individual one way or another something will happen and we will pay.
Why ?
Probably because it should have been managed better in the first place, due to the wastage and massive defecit we sit on. It's just a number of Governments that have mismanaged the situation.
Why ?
Probably because it should have been managed better in the first place, due to the wastage and massive defecit we sit on. It's just a number of Governments that have mismanaged the situation.
Leeds Spur
Banned
Cameron stated about 10 times this would be FOR NEW ROADS, like the M6 toll, used by 40,000 cars a day.
If they had a 'lexus lane' i'd use it.......if we get the infrastructure we need them who fudging cares?
In this country people want EVERYTHING, just as long as THEY don't have to pay.
All governments should have an unlimited budget and any cut is blindly opposed by wallace and grommit.
We're a nation of cretins.
If they had a 'lexus lane' i'd use it.......if we get the infrastructure we need them who fudging cares?
In this country people want EVERYTHING, just as long as THEY don't have to pay.
All governments should have an unlimited budget and any cut is blindly opposed by wallace and grommit.
We're a nation of cretins.
Gordinho
Banned
My Council Tax bill hit my door mat this morning, ?ú1717.98 for 2012-13, ?ú4.71 a day.