Paxtonloudmouth
Michael Brown
Re: European Elections, UKIP Tops British Polls
If it smells,talks and walks like a Tory springs to mind after this post.
If it smells,talks and walks like a Tory springs to mind after this post.
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Re: European Elections, UKIP Tops British Polls
Your nasal sense is extremely advanced, or you are playing the man, not the ball.
You have failed to construct an intelligible sentence in your post, which comprises er, one sentence.
Remarkable. T'riffic effort.
Your nasal sense is extremely advanced, or you are playing the man, not the ball.
You have failed to construct an intelligible sentence in your post, which comprises er, one sentence.
Remarkable. T'riffic effort.
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Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Re: European Elections, UKIP Tops British Polls
The person referred to is clearly of the right. How is that 'playing the man'? Get a grip.
The person referred to is clearly of the right. How is that 'playing the man'? Get a grip.
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If 'it' smells, talks and walks.
Is this what passes for reasoned debate in the circles you move in?
If 'it' smells, talks and walks.
Is this what passes for reasoned debate in the circles you move in?
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Re: European Elections, UKIP Tops British Polls
There was no debate per se. Look back through the thread and plenty of reasonable arguments have been made by the poster in question. Others in opposition, have had a more aggressive tone, yet no comment of a derogatory nature from you about them. Partisan perhaps?
There was no debate per se. Look back through the thread and plenty of reasonable arguments have been made by the poster in question. Others in opposition, have had a more aggressive tone, yet no comment of a derogatory nature from you about them. Partisan perhaps?
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It is clear how the left get their reputation. Over debating the issue, it seems as though labelling and branding others as something they are not is the vehicle in an attempt to discredit. Have a view on immigration being out of control? Must be a racist...
It is clear how the left get their reputation. Over debating the issue, it seems as though labelling and branding others as something they are not is the vehicle in an attempt to discredit. Have a view on immigration being out of control? Must be a racist...
RomanzoCriminale
David Bentley
Re: European Elections, UKIP Tops British Polls
I don't know if i could have been any clearer in stating that i don't align myself with any political party, in my mind they're all in it for themselves. Its true that if i had to choose one of the parties from an economic perspective then it would have to be the Tories. But then any educated person who understands economics would never vote Labour.
That doesn't make me a Tory though, would i ever vote Tory? No. That won't stop the left trying to label someone who isn't one of them though, it what they do. The last time i voted was for Blair, i really had so much hope like the rest of the country that he was going to make a difference, not just to the Tories who probably by their own admission needed a bloody nose and to be booted out. But that we finally had someone who would stand up for the common man, who understood you needed business to drive the country, who was even prepared to embody the good things about Thatcherism (who btw i hated at the time, but have learnt to respect what she did for this country in dragging it off its **** from the mess the previous Labour government and the unions had created) to build a better Britain for everyone. In the end we all know what happened, but you know i actually despise Brown more than Blair, i can't put into words what i feel for that man, what he did to peoples (my dad's included) pensions, the lies about the Lisbon treaty, the Britain will never be boom and bust, the embarrassment of having that man lead us when he wasn't even voted for....... if Blair should be locked up for Iraq then Brown should be held for treason for what he did. Milliband? Well if he gets in we really are screwed, the guy will **** this country, business, the rich, the middle classes, anyone who's ever worked hard to make a decent life for themselves and their family will be screwed.
One day i hope politics becomes history and we really do find another way, same with religion and any other man made order set up to rule or control..... until then, maybe, just maybe having Farage and UKIP getting some levels of success might actually redefine politics, maybe it might open the door for more choice. If UKIP can do it why not a party that actually isn't just built on helping the poor, well off, nimbys or based on issues with immigration. What if someone actually comes out of all of this with a new radical way, a new form of politics that takes everything back to basics, where if we all work hard we can all be equal. If thats the legacy of Farage then one day we might all thank him...... until then i quite like the fact that he's sticking 2 fingers up to the other parties.......but he'll NEVER get my vote.
I don't know if i could have been any clearer in stating that i don't align myself with any political party, in my mind they're all in it for themselves. Its true that if i had to choose one of the parties from an economic perspective then it would have to be the Tories. But then any educated person who understands economics would never vote Labour.
That doesn't make me a Tory though, would i ever vote Tory? No. That won't stop the left trying to label someone who isn't one of them though, it what they do. The last time i voted was for Blair, i really had so much hope like the rest of the country that he was going to make a difference, not just to the Tories who probably by their own admission needed a bloody nose and to be booted out. But that we finally had someone who would stand up for the common man, who understood you needed business to drive the country, who was even prepared to embody the good things about Thatcherism (who btw i hated at the time, but have learnt to respect what she did for this country in dragging it off its **** from the mess the previous Labour government and the unions had created) to build a better Britain for everyone. In the end we all know what happened, but you know i actually despise Brown more than Blair, i can't put into words what i feel for that man, what he did to peoples (my dad's included) pensions, the lies about the Lisbon treaty, the Britain will never be boom and bust, the embarrassment of having that man lead us when he wasn't even voted for....... if Blair should be locked up for Iraq then Brown should be held for treason for what he did. Milliband? Well if he gets in we really are screwed, the guy will **** this country, business, the rich, the middle classes, anyone who's ever worked hard to make a decent life for themselves and their family will be screwed.
One day i hope politics becomes history and we really do find another way, same with religion and any other man made order set up to rule or control..... until then, maybe, just maybe having Farage and UKIP getting some levels of success might actually redefine politics, maybe it might open the door for more choice. If UKIP can do it why not a party that actually isn't just built on helping the poor, well off, nimbys or based on issues with immigration. What if someone actually comes out of all of this with a new radical way, a new form of politics that takes everything back to basics, where if we all work hard we can all be equal. If thats the legacy of Farage then one day we might all thank him...... until then i quite like the fact that he's sticking 2 fingers up to the other parties.......but he'll NEVER get my vote.
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I actually visit this forum for the football stuff, and do not initiate political debate. There is no doubt that the profile of the members is increasingly left leaning, with a number of the right wing posters having been banned or simply no longer posting here. I think it is a shame that political discussions can degenerate into name calling.
As for me being partisan, I suppose most of us are influenced by our backgrounds and the events in our pasts. I am old enough to remember the last time a Labour Government and the banking industry wrecked the economy. It happens every 40 years or so. It destroyed my family. So I'm not too keen on "progressive" politics, with good reason
I actually visit this forum for the football stuff, and do not initiate political debate. There is no doubt that the profile of the members is increasingly left leaning, with a number of the right wing posters having been banned or simply no longer posting here. I think it is a shame that political discussions can degenerate into name calling.
As for me being partisan, I suppose most of us are influenced by our backgrounds and the events in our pasts. I am old enough to remember the last time a Labour Government and the banking industry wrecked the economy. It happens every 40 years or so. It destroyed my family. So I'm not too keen on "progressive" politics, with good reason
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Yes unfortunately. Those who are not concerned by levels of immigration that we are seeing in this country....well I'd love to have a serious debate with them over why.
Yes unfortunately. Those who are not concerned by levels of immigration that we are seeing in this country....well I'd love to have a serious debate with them over why.
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
Re: European Elections, UKIP Tops British Polls
I want to put the immigration issue to one side and ask you, or any other UKIP supporter, which UKIP policies do you support? ( non direct immigration ones)
Clearly by voting UKIP they feel UKIP can have a positive influence on govt policy.
I would like to know how.
I want to put the immigration issue to one side and ask you, or any other UKIP supporter, which UKIP policies do you support? ( non direct immigration ones)
Clearly by voting UKIP they feel UKIP can have a positive influence on govt policy.
I would like to know how.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
Re: European Elections, UKIP Tops British Polls
I really do not want to get into political debates so I will switch in a sense back to the other topic education. I like UKIP's policy of grammar schools something the tories are in a mess of and do not fully commit to. They also are against wind farms and from what I have seen in the past have spoken of building more nuclear power stations, something I also support.
They have though I do not believe laid it out in policy form yet, but have often spoken about moving our exports towards the emerging nations through offering tax incentives to companies that export to common wealth countries and the emerging nations. I agree with this because I believe that as these countries get richer we should focus on them rather then an over bureaucratic EU.
Of course their policy on the EU is the one I find the most appeasing, pull out of the EU were an ever decreasing amount of our trade goes and have the freedom to trade with who we like and to make our own laws to govern ourselves.
The trade agreements with the EU countries would not be difficult as we import more from then, then we export to them. So unless they cut their noses to spite their faces they need us more then we need them.
It is these reasons I think people find UKIP attractive, the immigration thing actually does not bother me as and I am sorry to ram it down peoples throats but I am quite well off so it does not effect me. It effects trade workers and low skilled workers. Despite my hatred of new labour I made a sh*t load of money on property thanks to them, so immigration really does not matter to me.
I really do not want to get into political debates so I will switch in a sense back to the other topic education. I like UKIP's policy of grammar schools something the tories are in a mess of and do not fully commit to. They also are against wind farms and from what I have seen in the past have spoken of building more nuclear power stations, something I also support.
They have though I do not believe laid it out in policy form yet, but have often spoken about moving our exports towards the emerging nations through offering tax incentives to companies that export to common wealth countries and the emerging nations. I agree with this because I believe that as these countries get richer we should focus on them rather then an over bureaucratic EU.
Of course their policy on the EU is the one I find the most appeasing, pull out of the EU were an ever decreasing amount of our trade goes and have the freedom to trade with who we like and to make our own laws to govern ourselves.
The trade agreements with the EU countries would not be difficult as we import more from then, then we export to them. So unless they cut their noses to spite their faces they need us more then we need them.
It is these reasons I think people find UKIP attractive, the immigration thing actually does not bother me as and I am sorry to ram it down peoples throats but I am quite well off so it does not effect me. It effects trade workers and low skilled workers. Despite my hatred of new labour I made a sh*t load of money on property thanks to them, so immigration really does not matter to me.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
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That really will be my last ever political post though, I like this website particularly the cycling thread on random and the spurs side. The transfer section with the usually sane posters talking about ITK I find a little disturbing.
You see I think peoples political opinions left or right should be respected and I have nothing against the left wing ones on here. I just get sad when I see posters I respect in the ITK thread.
That really will be my last ever political post though, I like this website particularly the cycling thread on random and the spurs side. The transfer section with the usually sane posters talking about ITK I find a little disturbing.
You see I think peoples political opinions left or right should be respected and I have nothing against the left wing ones on here. I just get sad when I see posters I respect in the ITK thread.
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Not a UKIP voter myself. However, not directly affected by immigration either it is an issue that needs to be recognised and accepted that in some cases imigration is needed, and some aspects of policy are open for abuse on a grand scale, and a waste for us all. I think it is good to see UKIP showing a presence which are bringing not only that and European issues into discussion. Issues are starting to be looked at rather than dismissed with heads in the sand, as happens when the main parties do not really want to face such tricky issues. For what it's worth I think he tore Clegg a new one and showed how deep seated the established parties are when it comes to such issues.
Not a UKIP voter myself. However, not directly affected by immigration either it is an issue that needs to be recognised and accepted that in some cases imigration is needed, and some aspects of policy are open for abuse on a grand scale, and a waste for us all. I think it is good to see UKIP showing a presence which are bringing not only that and European issues into discussion. Issues are starting to be looked at rather than dismissed with heads in the sand, as happens when the main parties do not really want to face such tricky issues. For what it's worth I think he tore Clegg a new one and showed how deep seated the established parties are when it comes to such issues.
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I'm not interested in discussing ukip policies so not sure why you've mentioned them? I'm not a supporter of ukip and as I've mentioned I'm waiting til September to hear all policies from all parties.
What I would add however is that ukip focus on immigration for a reason. It's not under control by this govt. or the previous but they do have other focus areas too although immigration tends to stick as all they are interested in which is naive and incorrect.
I'm not interested in discussing ukip policies so not sure why you've mentioned them? I'm not a supporter of ukip and as I've mentioned I'm waiting til September to hear all policies from all parties.
What I would add however is that ukip focus on immigration for a reason. It's not under control by this govt. or the previous but they do have other focus areas too although immigration tends to stick as all they are interested in which is naive and incorrect.
monkeybarry
Ian Walker
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This being a UKIP thread, it seems logical to try and see if any supporters ( I appreciate you are not one) can attest to non immigration based policies.
I'm iinterested to hear these - constructively
Thanks chich for your post. I'm not sure how I feel about grammar school's. Seems a bit elitist and may alienate those that develop later in adolescence
This being a UKIP thread, it seems logical to try and see if any supporters ( I appreciate you are not one) can attest to non immigration based policies.
I'm iinterested to hear these - constructively
Thanks chich for your post. I'm not sure how I feel about grammar school's. Seems a bit elitist and may alienate those that develop later in adolescence
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
Re: European Elections, UKIP Tops British Polls
And the right get theirs by misrepresentation. Where has anyone of the left called an anti- immigrant poster a racist? Stop making stuff up.
And the right get theirs by misrepresentation. Where has anyone of the left called an anti- immigrant poster a racist? Stop making stuff up.
Gilzeantoscore
Justin Edinburgh
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I have never imitated a political thread either. So what? You seem to spend a GHod awful lot of time participating in political threads, for someone who is primarily interested in football matters. as for the slant of the board, I would argue otherwise. This has always been a board dominated by 'vocal' right wingers. Look at those who initiate the political threads?. They are ALL right wing.
I have never imitated a political thread either. So what? You seem to spend a GHod awful lot of time participating in political threads, for someone who is primarily interested in football matters. as for the slant of the board, I would argue otherwise. This has always been a board dominated by 'vocal' right wingers. Look at those who initiate the political threads?. They are ALL right wing.
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
Re: European Elections, UKIP Tops British Polls
First off, I think you're on the money to wait and see. Nice one. But I think the reason the UKIP have focussed on immigration is that it's a touchstone word with several quick buzzwords to float around it, all of which can whip up quick pockets of support. I think they know it's a good 'seducer' so-to-speak, and it will be interesting to see what they can offer in terms of policy beyond buzzwords and phrases.
I think that blaming immigration solely for the issue at hand currently is far too easy, I really do. It's a lot more complex and actually revolves around what people are prepared to do for each other, what people are prepared to pay, whether people are prepared to acknowledge that public education has been **** for 15 years and whether corporations will ever sacrifice a % of their profit margins in order to help regenerate the parts of the UK which have been killed by cheap labour, de-investment and the rampant 'me' culture. All IMO...
First off, I think you're on the money to wait and see. Nice one. But I think the reason the UKIP have focussed on immigration is that it's a touchstone word with several quick buzzwords to float around it, all of which can whip up quick pockets of support. I think they know it's a good 'seducer' so-to-speak, and it will be interesting to see what they can offer in terms of policy beyond buzzwords and phrases.
I think that blaming immigration solely for the issue at hand currently is far too easy, I really do. It's a lot more complex and actually revolves around what people are prepared to do for each other, what people are prepared to pay, whether people are prepared to acknowledge that public education has been **** for 15 years and whether corporations will ever sacrifice a % of their profit margins in order to help regenerate the parts of the UK which have been killed by cheap labour, de-investment and the rampant 'me' culture. All IMO...
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All right wing? I'd strongly disagree with that.
All right wing? I'd strongly disagree with that.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
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There are a fair few lefties on here. And a few right wingers. And some further polarised each way. Fair reflection of society really.
There are a fair few lefties on here. And a few right wingers. And some further polarised each way. Fair reflection of society really.