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Glenda's Legs said:
I hope everyone on that boat made it safely to shore somewhere. If Ghod forbid there was some disaster where any drowned due to being pushed back out to sea then I hope there’s enough footage to identify those responsible and charge them with manslaughter.
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Back where they paid thousands to come from would be the best result
 
Crab.C.Nesbitt said:
On the basis of their incompetence in parliament, and on local councils plus based on Farages’ devotion to trump and seeking to apply the same destructive policies here that are massively damaging America with consequences for the rest of the western world.
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Where is the evidence of incompetence in Parliament or on local councils? They are back bench MPs in Parliament. There are only 4 of them (5 now with Kruger). They don't have any competence other than raising issues on behalf of constituents. They have only just gained control of councils for the first time. Hardly time to know if they are more competently run or not.
 
Grays_1890 said:
So then let those that want to live peacefully live their lives rather than clubbing everyone in the same heading and using dangerous rhetoric.

I much more trust my Muslim Dr who saved my life last year as a member of society than many others and she didn't deserved to get racial abused last year, I major part because of said lazy rhetorics that get passed about.

It's disgraceful
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It is disgraceful. But everyone does this. You think its disgraceful to "club everyone with the same heading and use dangerous rhetoric" in this context. But you'll happily label people that put a flag up as something just because some of the EDL types did ir.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
It is disgraceful. But everyone does this. You think its disgraceful to "club everyone with the same heading and use dangerous rhetoric" in this context. But you'll happily label people that put a flag up as something just because some of the EDL types did ir.
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No, I will claim those that are clearly the ones who are EDL types are EDL type clams, its clear as day as who they are.

That is also not racist or bigotry to say so, I don't actively promote hate on or rally people to hurt them, I just avoid them..........its that simple
 
Grays_1890 said:
No, I will claim those that are clearly the ones who are EDL types are EDL type clams, its clear as day as who they are.

That is also not racist or bigotry to say so, I don't actively promote hate on or rally people to hurt them, I just avoid them..........its that simple
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Your definition of EDL types is as blurred as those you acuse of racist or prejudicial tropes. You've acused me of being an EDL type. Well not directly in terms of language of "you are an EDL type" but "i know what you are". You don't know though, that's the point.
 
In my latest episode of "you could not make this sh*t up", I present to you a summary of the government's flagship irregular migrant deterrence policy:
- Government agree treaty with France labelled the "one in, one out" treaty. Much back-slapping ensues.
- Seemingly unknown to the government the Home Office have a welfare standards policy that applies to irregular migrants either held in custody or on bail.
- Part of this welfare standards policy is that detainees held in detention centres or those on bail for immigration offences must be provided with an information pack produced by the charity BiD ("Bail for Immigration Detaineess").
- When the "One in one out deal" was publically announced by the government and Home Office, BiD updated their information pack with advice on challenging any deportation decisions made under the treaty. This included advice on obtaining free legal advice and template letters to challenge the decision.
- The Home Office dutifully provided all of this information to those detained or on bail for immigration offences.
- As we now know, the very first person to be deported under the scheme successfully obtained a stay of the decision based on a requirement to investigate his claim that he had been trafficked.
- The judge threw the government a bone in the case by suggesting that his trafficking claim could be presented to the Home Office from France.
- The left hand of the Home Office then effectively destroyed the policy created by the right hand (see what i did there) by rocking up in court to say "we wouldn't expect him to do that your honour".

Incompetence doesn't even come close to describing it.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Your definition of EDL types is as blurred as those you acuse of racist or prejudicial tropes. You've acused me of being an EDL type. Well not directly in terms of language of "you are an EDL type" but "i know what you are". You don't know though, that's the point.
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On individuals not a blanket......HUGE difference in your whataboutism

You have spoken openly about your prejudice, fears, denied it then had to admit it after historical posts were shown.

You constantly back the right and defend them, you rarely if at all call it out, whilst making claims about immigrants.

I think you are an EDL type person, it's not as wild an assumption as you seem to be manufacturing. Manufacturing again so you Don't have to call out the blatant bigotry in society no less.

So you are at least consistent
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
In my latest episode of "you could not make this sh*t up", I present to you a summary of the government's flagship irregular migrant deterrence policy:
- Government agree treaty with France labelled the "one in, one out" treaty. Much back-slapping ensues.
- Seemingly unknown to the government the Home Office have a welfare standards policy that applies to irregular migrants either held in custody or on bail.
- Part of this welfare standards policy is that detainees held in detention centres or those on bail for immigration offences must be provided with an information pack produced by the charity BiD ("Bail for Immigration Detaineess").
- When the "One in one out deal" was publically announced by the government and Home Office, BiD updated their information pack with advice on challenging any deportation decisions made under the treaty. This included advice on obtaining free legal advice and template letters to challenge the decision.
- The Home Office dutifully provided all of this information to those detained or on bail for immigration offences.
- As we now know, the very first person to be deported under the scheme successfully obtained a stay of the decision based on a requirement to investigate his claim that he had been trafficked.
- The judge threw the government a bone in the case by suggesting that his trafficking claim could be presented to the Home Office from France.
- The left hand of the Home Office then effectively destroyed the policy created by the right hand (see what i did there) by rocking up in court to say "we wouldn't expect him to do that your honour".

Incompetence doesn't even come close to describing it.
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So much time/effort/focus being spent on a very small part of a bigger issue.
Driven by media and optics.

Has there been much talk of other solutions, not just channel crossers, but overall net immigration?
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
It is disgraceful. But everyone does this. You think its disgraceful to "club everyone with the same heading and use dangerous rhetoric" in this context. But you'll happily label people that put a flag up as something just because some of the EDL types did ir.
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I think it's accurate to say there are 3 reasons for flying the flag, when you're representing, when you've achieved something, when you're marking your territory.

The last one is exactly what was happening.
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Your definition of EDL types is as blurred as those you acuse of racist or prejudicial tropes. You've acused me of being an EDL type. Well not directly in terms of language of "you are an EDL type" but "i know what you are". You don't know though, that's the point.
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It's quite simple on this board, if you're not a Liberal or Left-leaning you are a right wing EDL racist
 
Gutter Boy said:
Centre-right would tend to be Sunak and Starmer supporters. I dont remember encountering many of them in here for a while.

Reform and EDL however are the far right. They are the National Front in updated clothing
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Sunak and Starmer both lean very heavily to tax and spend. They can't possibly be considered centrists, let alone centre right.
 
Mikey10 said:
Is it me missing something, or has the American Politics thread disappeared…?

Has it been Kimmeled? 🤔
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I can see it

Danishfurniturelover

Thread 'American politics'

Just watched a t.v. show on him, I am smart enough to know that the show was only shown from one point of view but oh my GHod that guy is mental.

Americans on here, please do not vote for the man he is bat brick crazy.
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Grays_1890 said:
On individuals not a blanket......HUGE difference in your whataboutism

You have spoken openly about your prejudice, fears, denied it then had to admit it after historical posts were shown.

You constantly back the right and defend them, you rarely if at all call it out, whilst making claims about immigrants.

I think you are an EDL type person, it's not as wild an assumption as you seem to be manufacturing. Manufacturing again so you Don't have to call out the blatant bigotry in society no less.

So you are at least consistent
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i haven't denied anything. I denied saying those things in the context it was positioned. I do acknowledge my prejudice and fears. I am trained to challenge my own prejudices and make decisions while experiencing fear. Unconscious bias exists in everyone and the first step in combating your prejudices and fears is about acknowledging them, facing them and being open about them.

I do constantly back the right and defend them. I have views you'd regard as right wing on many issues.

What claims have i made about immigrants?

Why do i need to call out the blatant bigotry in society? You already go on about it. So i can either come in this thread and just join in with the jolly old boys club all nodding along and going "oh yes, terrible terrible, tut tut" or i can throw a few alternative takes in for balance.
 
scaramanga said:
Sunak and Starmer both lean very heavily to tax and spend. They can't possibly be considered centrists, let alone centre right.
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They might be taxing, but they arent spending. Infrastructure and services are completely hollowed out. All the natural assets of a state were pawned off by Thatcher, Major and Blair. So now we are just scraping together what we can to stave off the repo-men. That's not traditional spending/investment
 
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