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scaramanga said:
Not really, no.

That's why all the other countries that didn't leave the EU also have inflation of a similar of higher level.
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I’m not sure that your inflation figures are correct: uk inflation is currently listed at 9.4% while Germany is 7.6% and France is 5.8%.

in addition the imf economic forecast provides a fairly grim outlook for the uk economy in 2022 and 2023. We are the worst performing of all g7 countries. We are all subject to the same market forces apart from one key exception, brexit.
https://www.icaew.com/insights/view...apr-2022/chart-of-the-week-g7-economic-growth
 
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scaramanga said:
It's the subject none of the potential PMs are discussing. They all keep trying to evoke Thatcher, without promising to continue her greatest legacy.

Someone needs to take on these parasitic mobsters and end their thievery before they drive inflation further and rob us twice.
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Parasitic mobsters? Lol. The majority of public sector workers are grossly underpaid and overworked.

Successive Tory governments have no understanding of how to drive efficiency and economy in the public sector, their only idea of efficiency begins and ends at cutting head counts and slashing funding without any understanding of what these organisations do nor the operation and strategic changes needed to drive efficiency.

on top of this procurement under the Tory government has been the most corrupt, wasteful and incompetent of any government, e.g. wasting tens of billions of pounds on ppe fraud, furlough fraud and private sector failures such as the track and trace system.

the myth that the private sector is more efficient than the public sector has been proven to be false time and again through the collapse of ppfi, railtrack, carillon, track and trace, ppe procurement, nhs app etc.

Why are public sector workers mobsters for wanting a decent wage, instead of corporate entities that avoid paying taxes and in fact gaming the system to get tax rebates?

the true mobsters are the shadowy lobbies funded by the economic elite to protect the interests of the 1% and the corrupt politicians that enable this corrupt and failing capitalist system, and the wealthy cnuts who game the system to cheat the Uk of tax that they should be contributing to the economy.

not to mention the utility, aviation and train operating companies that the government subsidises so that they can pay dividends.

the tories preach against socialism but at the same time practice a form of socialism, the trouble is that socialism only applies to the rich.
 
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SpurMeUp said:
You are suggesting therefore that the governments own data saying a 4% drop in GDP due to Brexit is false? Our government are lying to us?
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No, I'm saying that inflation is nothing to do with it.

It's hardly a surprise that GDP has dropped when we've done nothing to create a competitive tax and regulatory environment.
 
scaramanga said:
No, I'm saying that inflation is nothing to do with it.

It's hardly a surprise that GDP has dropped when we've done nothing to create a competitive tax and regulatory environment.
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Ergo our GDP or economy has suffered due to Brexit. That is what our government modelled and predicted. They have not revised this now data has been coming in post Brexit. A 4% loss of GDP translates into how much lost tax revenue?
 
Crab.C.Nesbitt said:
I’m not sure that your inflation figures are correct: uk inflation is currently listed at 9.4% while Germany is 7.6% and France is 5.8%.

in addition the imf economic forecast provides a fairly grim outlook for the uk economy in 2022 and 2023. We are the worst performing of all g7 countries. We are all subject to the same market forces apart from one key exception, brexit.
https://www.icaew.com/insights/view...apr-2022/chart-of-the-week-g7-economic-growth
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Taking the EU as a whole, we're almost perfectly matched at the last report.
 
Plenty more pork markets to look forward to though. Not all bad, eh?

If it is Truss and she trashes the NIP as she has promised then her reign will be shortlived.
 
Mikey10 said:
That’ll be the “parasitic mobsters” who’ve seen their members’ wages fall by an average of 20% in real terms over the past decade?

You might want to remind us all of your position in the employment chain - just so that we can all be clear on any vested interests you might have in keeping wages low and profits high.

It would be good to hear from the government when we will see the high wage economy that we were told Brexit would bring. Surely that £350 million a week on the side of the bus could help to fund a pay rise in the NHS that would keep pace with inflation?
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Those workers they claim to represent didn't have to accept those terms.

None of them were slaves, any could have found another job and earned more money if their ability deserved it.
 
SpurMeUp said:
Ergo our GDP or economy has suffered due to Brexit. That is what our government modelled and predicted. They have not revised this now data has been coming in post Brexit. A 4% loss of GDP translates into how much lost tax revenue?
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Of course not doing anything to improve the economy would reduce GDP.

No regulations have been removed, no taxes have been cut, we have ignored any potential benefits of choosing our own rules.
 
Crab.C.Nesbitt said:
Parasitic mobsters? Lol. The majority of public sector workers are grossly underpaid and overworked.

Successive Tory governments have no understanding of how to drive efficiency and economy in the public sector, their only idea of efficiency begins and ends at cutting head counts and slashing funding without any understanding of what these organisations do nor the operation and strategic changes needed to drive efficiency.

on top of this procurement under the Tory government has been the most corrupt, wasteful and incompetent of any government, e.g. wasting tens of billions of pounds on ppe fraud, furlough fraud and private sector failures such as the track and trace system.

the myth that the private sector is more efficient than the public sector has been proven to be false time and again through the collapse of ppfi, railtrack, carillon, track and trace, ppe procurement, nhs app etc.

Why are public sector workers mobsters for wanting a decent wage, instead of corporate entities that avoid paying taxes and in fact gaming the system to get tax rebates?

the true mobsters are the shadowy lobbies funded by the economic elite to protect the interests of the 1% and the corrupt politicians that enable this corrupt and failing capitalist system, and the wealthy cnuts who game the system to cheat the Uk of tax that they should be contributing to the economy.

not to mention the utility, aviation and train operating companies that the government subsidises so that they can pay dividends.

the tories preach against socialism but at the same time practice a form of socialism, the trouble is that socialism only applies to the rich.
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There are over 30 million jobs in the UK,any of them with better pay than in the public sector.

Any public sector employee is free to apply for any of them at any time if they are up to the challenge.

And you're right, public procurement is always the wrong answer.
 
scaramanga said:
There are over 30 million jobs in the UK,any of them with better pay than in the public sector.

Any public sector employee is free to apply for any of them at any time if they are up to the challenge.

And you're right, public procurement is always the wrong answer.
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I worked for network rail as a risk analyst and gained risk mgt and project mgt qualifications plus a host of significant experience on major programmes Like crossrail, working across all major disciplines (civils, track, signalling, ole telecoms etc.)

in that time (and particularly in the final 2 years of my employment from 2019 to 2021 I was effectively doing the work of two people as colleagues in my team who left were not replaced (and the team already had a lean structure prior to their departures).

all I wanted was some recognition for the effort and quality of work that I was putting in, and to be given the opportunity to progress within the organisation

In terms of recognition I was told the fact that I was doing the work of two people was nothing special because there were many colleagues in the same position.

In terms of career progression, when I suggested to an hr director that the company could consider having a salary banding system that recognised that people (while nominally in the same post) had differing levels of professional experience and qualifications the guy laughed in my face.

it was at that point that I decided to leave and get a job with a consultancy and significantly increase my salary and career opportunities.

Having done so it is quite possible that I could at some point be sent back to nr to work as a consultant, except not only will they have to pay my significantly increased salary, they will also have to pay the contractor overheads and profit margins.

If I was to be placed on nr the cost would be at least double what they were paying me and most likely somewhere between 3 to 6 times more.

now risk is only one of many specialist disciplines within nr, but the same scenario is being played out across all specialist disciplines within nr. The organisation won’t pay people what they are worth, those people then leave and work for consultancies leaving nr with a deficit of resources that they seek to fill through outsourcing to consultancy firms at massively increased costs.

this is only one aspect of inefficiency in the rail industry against a backdrop of a much wider range of issues (driven by inadequate strategic direction and decision making) that is replicated right across the public sector.

So be careful with your catcalls about “if you don’t like it leave”, because that is exactly what people are doing and it is one of the number one detriments to economic, efficient and effective delivery within the public sector. Especially when those people can’t be replaced even by consultancy firms (for example specialist teaching discipline vacancies).
 
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