markysimmo
Johnny nice-tits
Is this 8 ??
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Politics, politics, politics (so long and thanks for all the fish)
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Mikey10
Jimmy Neighbour
Quite simply, wow!
While by-election results are of course often about giving a government a bit of a kick up the arse, this is something else. A 34% swing in a seat which has been Tory for almost 200 years really is a stunning result, and the clearest indication yet that Trump UK’s goose is well and truly cooked.
Perhaps all hope isn’t lost just yet.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...bly-as-count-continues?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
While by-election results are of course often about giving a government a bit of a kick up the arse, this is something else. A 34% swing in a seat which has been Tory for almost 200 years really is a stunning result, and the clearest indication yet that Trump UK’s goose is well and truly cooked.
Perhaps all hope isn’t lost just yet.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...bly-as-count-continues?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
glasgowspur
Luka Modric
Boris has fudged up so many issues it will be fun trying work out why they lost this seat.
Glenda's Legs
Paul Walsh
I was really surprised to hear that this morning. I thought the Tories would still scrape a win, albeit with a very significantly reduced majority. Good news that will put more pressure on Boris from within the party.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
Graham Brady's "Christmas card" deliveries this morning
Gazza Dazzla
Chris Perry
How telling is it that even in the current climate Labour still managed to somehow lose over half its share of the vote?
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
I think that was more tactical voting than a sign of diminished support. I wouldn't read too much into that drop.
richie_spur
Gordon Durie
Very.
They made a big point during the campaign that they had the second biggest vote share in the last election and they should be challenging the Tories not the Lib Dems.
Maybe the voters wanted to "protest vote" but still couldn't bring themselves to vote Labour.
Mikey10
Jimmy Neighbour
Given that they didn’t really run a proper campaign, and their implicit message was to vote in a tactical way to oust the Conservatives, not very.
Mikey10
Jimmy Neighbour
I don’t think they made any ‘big points’ in their campaign - indeed, the big-hitters in the party were conspicuous only by their absence in Norh Shropshire during the campaign.
All polls that I’ve seen over the last 10 days now have Labour ahead across the country, somewhere between +3 - +7%.
Mikey10
Jimmy Neighbour
Seems that “taking back control” is right up there with the “irreversible roadmap out of lockdown”.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...s-role-in-northern-ireland-protocol-t6f9s85dv
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...s-role-in-northern-ireland-protocol-t6f9s85dv
Rorschach
Sonny Walters
That's a big climb down. Good news.
Not surprising, one scandal to another. He really has a poor team around him as well, I've worked with a few people with that sort of character and if they're supported by a strong detail orientated team then they generally manage OK. Even policy ideas that have some merit are poorly executed so any benefits are lost like the social care tax - at least it was doing something then they go and announce that council funding doesn't count towards the cap and there will be an inevitable u turn.
Jurgen the German
Erik Thorstvedt
Im a Labour voter but I don’t think they’re electable at the moment. I liked Keir Starmer at first, seemed to say all the right things, seems intelligent but people for some reason haven’t warmed to him. They’d rather vote for a loveable rogue like Boris even though he’s also an incorrigible womaniser and a blundering idiot. Likability trumps effectiveness it would appear. Labour have got too bogged down in indulging the 10% of people in this country who are so neurotic they complain and get offended about everything. Wokeism doesn’t play well to 85-90% of the population. I’d quite happily vote Lib Dem at the next general election if it increases the chances of finally getting rid of Boris and the tories.
Gutter Boy
Tim Sherwood
First declared one. They are default secret.
parklane1
Tony Galvin
Very telling for me, it just shows that labour are in as bigger mess as the Torys. The state of politics in this country has never been so fudged.
Robspur12
Nick Barmby
The big story in Shropshire is not the Labour party vote share. This has been a Tory seat for over 200 years. The Lib Dem candidate actually referenced the tactical Labour voters in her victory speech. This is the problem with the FPTP system - it encourages tactical voting. I don’t think the Labour Party will worry too much about their vote share nor will the Tories draw too much comfort from it. Hard to know if the seat will remain Lib Dem at the next election, but at least it means for a while it tells the Tories that they are not unaccountable.
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Robspur12
Nick Barmby
You do seem to have a proper bee in your bonnet over “woke!” I would hazard a guess that woke is far down the list of reasons that Labour are not winning more popular support. Way behind not creating an alternative vision of how they are going to attract investment for job creation, not offering an alternative to the grossly unfair health and social care reforms that penalise the less wealthy with the payment cap, and it is not clear what Labour are offering in terms of tackling climate change. Now they may have put out briefings on all these matters but their policies are not engaging with the so called middle or working classes. Sort out their message on these matters and they would appeal to more people.
On the subject of complaining, I wonder what you make of several back bench Tories attacking anything they deem as curtailing free speech while complaining about Chris Whitty exercising his free speech and answering questions at the press briefings? Are they woke? Or just fudging spoilt brats?
Glenda's Legs
Paul Walsh
[Hope you don't mind me replying to your post in the politics thread rather than the coronavirus one from where I've taken your post]
Taken from the BBC website :
The BBC understands a quiz was held for members of Mr Case's private office on 17 December 2020, and invites were sent out titled "Christmas Party!"
About 15 people were invited to the gathering at 70 Whitehall, near Downing Street, although it is understood not everyone turned up.
Responding to the claims, a government spokesperson said: "Staff in the cabinet secretary's private office took part in a virtual quiz on 17 December 2020.
"A small number of them, who had been working in the office throughout the pandemic and on duty that day, took part from their desks, while the rest of the team were virtual.
"The cabinet secretary played no part in the event, but walked through the team's office on the way to his own office.
"No outside guests or other staff were invited or present. This lasted for an hour and drinks and snacks were bought by those attending. He also spoke briefly to staff in the office before leaving."
Whilst I hate everything about this government, I really don't have a huge issue with the above, if it happened as represented here.
Yes, blatant hypocrisy from government officials should be called out, proper office parties with pre-arranged buffets should be called out. But a handful of people in an office having a quiz with a beer or a glass of wine - not so much. Yes, I get the potential conflict in this particular case. But there is so much other stuff going on - the Police and Crime bill, the Borders bill, the proposed changes to the Human Rights act, to say nothing of the huge level of corruption that's gone on throughout the pandemic with $$$ contracts awarded to tory donors and tory pals, none of which is getting the coverage it deserves. Maybe it's a bit like Al Capone, except in this case it's not tax evasion but Christmas booze-ups that become Boris's downfall. But this Xmas party stuff is becoming a smokescreen covering up so much else, and labour are as guilty as the media for allowing this to happen.