Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
Age
He is older
And literally today couldn’t keep up
Players do get worse if their strength is running and they struggle to run with the players
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He is older
And literally today couldn’t keep up
Players do get worse if their strength is running and they struggle to run with the players
So let me try to answer this (with the caveat Jose is to blame and tonight is likely the end for him)
- Why play Kane? did you see how brick we were with Kane? to some extent Jose knows the first string is often undependable, far less B squad
- Winks was poor long before Jose, think he earned that all on his own.
- Dele is a shadow of the player he was, blame in on Jose or whoever, he simply doesn't fudging turn up, in the last two months he's made Lamela, Lucas and Lo Celso (coming off a half season injury) look like WC players in comparison. Honestly if it took you till tonight to realize how brick he's been this season you probably weren't looking too hard.
Outside of half the team not giving a fudge, let me try to put what went wrong
- He played Dele, and compounded the error by making Lucas move to accommodate him, fudging up two positions in one.
- Aurier if he has been as bad as this in training shouldn't play, and if he was in form should play Sunday. Tanganga in this game would have made more sense (and we likely would not have lost)
- He didn't make the changes early (HT) to put it back on track
- It was clear we were going to be playing back to the walls stuff in 2nd half, not sure Bale is your guy in that scenario
In the end, we were what we seem to be a lot of the time under Jose, a team that doesn't know if to attack, if to defend, if to go for it or hold on ..
Kandi1977
Terry Dyson
United away and City at home. But that's it.
Baleforce
Ron Henry
I’d say the first game against City certainly.
Must have been some (relatively) in our charge up the table last season too.
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
Give over mate.
Twice last season he had the chance to go top 4 with a win over Chelski. He bottled them both. He had the chance THIS season against the same. Bottled it.
He had the chance to go above Liverpool. Bottled it.
And yes. As to your point we were top for several weeks...and we bottled it.
Look, as you will know if you listen to our pod, I am not in to piling onto him. There are many issues. Poch told the chairman for ages that we needed a rebuild and he was ignored and sacked when the long-time flirt hitched his knickers via the agent. I think he underestimated the rebuild. I think he is in the middle of what needs to be a project and he is not a project man. So in that sense he has my sympathy.
But remember clearly why we were told he was coming here. So by that metric, it is not unreasonable to criticize him. Look, he might win 8-9 of the last 10 and finish 4th, but I doubt it, don't you?
The truth is we have not progressed.
Robspur12
John Lacy
Should have played his strongest side today. Not our poorest midfield 2, Reguillon not Davies, Bale starting.
Mate, can we comment that Jose has failed without the Poch brick, Poch had two mandates, the first was to get us to a certain place, 2nd was to kick on, he was extremely successful at the first bit, crashed and burned at the 2nd bit.
Jose was brought here to do something this season/now, we are out 2 of the 3 cups and pretty much adrift of top 4, he's scorecard is pretty much in.
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
Yes, the manager carries it, this was "the game", he may last another 1 or to the end of the season, but this was the end game (we can all pick our end games with our past managers)
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
I RARELY mention Pochettino anymore mate, and in this case, if you read it in context you will see it is actually something of a potential defense for Mourinho, who has ended up with a rebuild project it is my opinion he did not think he was signing up for. Again, this is NOT about comparing them. PLEASE read it properly.
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Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
How did I end my comment?.. we have dropped league points against weak teams that’s hurt us
Beating the better sides is harder and almost a lottery at times with the fine margins
Beating the lesser sides is within your control as you should have better players. That’s been a failing this season
I had forgotten about Chelsea last season but didn’t really consider that a big game as it was for 4th place and the others you referred to were for bigger things
and no I don’t think we will get 4th place
The table won’t change much up there now
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
In fact, to be fair to Mourinho it is vital to look back and see the root of that he walked into. Truth be told, most of this lies on not having a DoF as we built the stadium who worked with that manager (seeing as his name triggers you 
I'm joking BTW). Mourinho is suffering because of what didn[t happen before him.
I'm joking BTW). Mourinho is suffering because of what didn[t happen before him.
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
What????
Well how do you see us? in 2017 we were the second best team in the country with 86 points!!!!!
Well then we have different definitions of "big" games. For me, games where we leap-frog into top-four spots over rivals for that spot and leave them several points behind us count as big games. Even if they're just "biggish" games, or "slightly bigger than medium" games, he didn't win them.
While I definitely feel Mou’s race is run, I still think not enough attention is being paid to the context in which he was hired i.e. Covid was literally not a ‘thing’, at least in a football context.
I can absolutely see why Levy rolled the dice, thinking he could back him with all the riches the stadium would bring, but less than four months later, that plan is fudged.
Like @thfcsteff, I have a lot of sympathy for him, as for me, the situation we’re currently in is patently not all his fault - it’s a combination of many things.
The time to mourn for our club is not now, after another pathetic defeat, but it was when Poch was ushered out stage left 18 months ago. That was when our great adventure was definitively over.
I can absolutely see why Levy rolled the dice, thinking he could back him with all the riches the stadium would bring, but less than four months later, that plan is fudged.
Like @thfcsteff, I have a lot of sympathy for him, as for me, the situation we’re currently in is patently not all his fault - it’s a combination of many things.
The time to mourn for our club is not now, after another pathetic defeat, but it was when Poch was ushered out stage left 18 months ago. That was when our great adventure was definitively over.
thfcsteff
Terry Dyson
I personally think he has failed, absolutely, and never particularly liked him, but yes, he has been thrust into some awful situations and it would be very, very unfair to simply land everything at his door. Besides, if we want to figure out why this is happening, it is clear the issues are far deeper than him!
I can’t disagree with any of that. We’re regressing and the players are clearly not playing for him. He has to go, as changing about 20 players is just not realistic.
Robspur12
John Lacy
What did Poch crash and Burn? Consistent top 4 and a Champions League Final. It’s not like we have had any of that before or since! Would fancy a bit of that crashing and burning now I tell you. If Jose has failed so spectacularly it should help you to reflect on how well actually Poch did and perhaps give him a little more respect.
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
I see us as a top side pm hence why beating the lesser sides should be easier. Their the ones that get teams 2nd place (look at united record vs the BIG sides)
Big games aren’t just to nick 4th place for a few games
Big games are games like tonight’s, semis, finals, derbies. Any game that matters and we crumble in them a lot
As I say I forgot those two games and you forgot the United and city ones which you may not class as big ones but most would
It doesn’t really change much other than we still have a team that can’t pull in any direction forward
There is clearly an issue behind the scenes as alluded too by Hugo
And the players need to, but won’t react on Sunday
Too little, too late from a broken team (and Jose is part of that team)
Honestly i can't see why - well actually i can having seen clips from the Amazon doc and read about his long time infatuation with him, Levy ultimately let his heart rule his head, all the signs were pointing to Mourinho being yesterdays man when we appointed him and so it has been proven.
Baleforce
Ron Henry
But if we don’t change the players they will just let down the next manager too.
Once is unfortunate, twice is conspiracy.