Bedfordspurs
Vinnie Samways
Yes really. He was very sloppy.....
You mean winks?
He played over 100 passes I think and made a crazily high percentage of them
Yes really. He was very sloppy.....
Its easy to say they’re a third rate side but they drew home and away with a motivated Dortmund (who we struggled both games with).I dont think we was good in the first half at all, albeit better than the second. Not a criticism of the team at all, its hard to play well when you have a disjointed team. Yes we got a good result, against a third rate side - that doesnt mean we played well. It was job done, nothing more....
Yeah, Im sure you can show me the stats and he made 100% of his passes, but I still prefer to use my own eyes and overall he was sloppy. Several of his passes were off, whether they made it to a teammate or not is irrelative if they're not with the precision and zip of normal. There is also more than one way to lose a ball....You mean winks?
He played over 100 passes I think and made a crazily high percentage of them
Yes Im well aware of their results, they are still a third rate side. Dortmund have been extremely average this season.Its easy to say they’re a third rate side but they drew home and away with a motivated Dortmund (who we struggled both games with).
If you thought we weren’t good in the first half then I just think we’re looking at different things. Not sure how you can completely dominate the oppo and lead 2-0 without being good, whichever measure you are looking at?
Not for a second saying we were great by the way, it was a very professional 6/10 performance, which is good from the (for the most part) reserves.
Its easy to say they’re a third rate side but they drew home and away with a motivated Dortmund (who we struggled both games with).
If you thought we weren’t good in the first half then I just think we’re looking at different things. Not sure how you can completely dominate the oppo and lead 2-0 without being good, whichever measure you are looking at?
Not for a second saying we were great by the way, it was a very professional 6/10 performance, which is good from the (for the most part) reserves.
Yeah, Im sure you can show me the stats and he made 400% of his passes, but I still prefer to use my own eyes and overall he was sloppy. Several of his passes were off, whether they made it to a teammate or not is irrelative if they're not with the precision and zip of normal. There is also more than one way to lose a ball....
6/10 is good, 5/10 is average and anything lower is poor. You said we were poor so you think like 4/10 or worse right?Yes Im well aware of their results, they are still a third rate side. Dortmund have been extremely average this season.
How were we good in the first half? When did we have any sort of sustained pressure? We created a couple of good opportunities, but for the most part we were underwhelming. I dont ever recollect getting excited about any of our play bar the goals. In fact thinking about it Id say I was more so in the second half even when we'd downed tools for long periods. The fact you summarise it as a 6/10 means we arent even that far apart in our assessment because reserves or not that isn't a good score - 6/10 is most definitely average.....
I'm glad your river of whizz has got to that point in the game. Wait until Rose walks out in his Manure tracksuit!
No, they can go behind a player and the player retrieves it etcSurely that’s a contradiction
If his passes were off they wouldn’t make it to a team mate
No I said Winks was poor by his standards. We were average. We got the job done which is all I expected with a mixed team, how can you argue with that? We in no way had a sustained period of attacks like we would normally, we had a handful of decent moves at best in 90 minutes against to be polite average opposition. I’m not complaining about the performance, I’d always take a win and not care about performance when we play a weakened team.....6/10 is good, 5/10 is average and anything lower is poor. You said we were poor so you think like 4/10 or worse right?
I know Dortmund aren’t great but like i said we struggled with them twice...
Pick a measurement you would like from me to show you we were good or dominated the first half?
No one is claiming he was at his best but that comment is a travesty of what we witnessed last night. You might at least acknowledge the peach of a pass he made to Aurier that led to Llorente's goal if not the plethora of quality balls that others mostly wasted.He was wasteful, maybe Im just used to much better from him but still he was poor last night IMO.....
No, they can go behind a player and the player retrieves it etc
Not that it affected his stats negatively but I recall at least two occasions last night when recipients of quality balls from Winks completely failed to make anything of them. Firstly towards the end of the first half he pinged a superb long aerial pass to N'koudou out in space on the left touchline but the Frenchman failed to bring it under control and was quickly dispossessed.True but that happened maybe twice from memory
Similarly you can play a peach of a pass but a player may not read it or react quick enough so your stats would be worse
We completely dominated them first half, Vorm didn’t have a touch, they barely got in our half, how much More sustained periods of attack do you want?No I said Winks was poor by his standards. We were average. We got the job done which is all I expected with a mixed team, how can you argue with that? We in no way had a sustained period of attacks like we would normally, we had a handful of decent moves at best in 90 minutes against to be polite average opposition. I’m not complaining about the performance, I’d always take a win and not care about performance when we play a weakened team.....
You obviously didnt read all my posts because one of the first things I did was acknowledge what a good pass that was. BUT overall I concluded he was sloppy by his standards and stand by that. Sorry to ruffle so many feathers.....No one is claiming he was at his best but that comment is a travesty of what we witnessed last night. You might at least acknowledge the peach of a pass he made to Aurier that led to Llorente's goal if not the plethora of quality balls that others mostly wasted.
I can only conclude you are allowing the two or three slip-ups he did make to cloud your overall judgement.
We dominated possession, we wasnt relentless in attack there's a big difference. I said Winks was sloppy in first post, then said in a subsequent post he was poor by his standards. Im not sure why some of you are getting so precious about it, its not like Im saying he's a poor player....We completely dominated them first half, Vorm didn’t have a touch, they barely got in our half, how much More sustained periods of attack do you want?
I didn’t see you say poor by Winks standards I’d just seen you say you thought Winks was poor, which is why I and probably why a few others picked up on it.
Fair play, I did not see that post. But you've obviously made up your mind to stick to your guns regardless of any post-match evidence suggesting you just might be mistaken so good luck to you.You obviously didnt read all my posts because one of the first things I did was acknowledge what a good pass that was. BUT overall I concluded he was sloppy by his standards and stand by that. Sorry to ruffle so many feathers.....