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+++ OMT Tottenham Hotspur v Sunderland 12th April 2026 +++

Bedfordspurs said:
I ain’t saying we were good
But I think people need to remember how bad we were under Frank too
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Frank seems to get a free pass from some and I’m mystified by the way in which some posters appear to have such a benign view of him. This was a manager who from the outset, completely misread his squad, overlooked their strengths and instead, with a full pre-season decided to adopt a dreadful, cowardly style of football. Who delivered a string of shocking performances, especially from November onwards. The results alone - which are the reason we’ve been pulled into a relegation battle - were horrific, but the style of play made it even worse. Some of the worst football we’ve witnessed from Spurs in years, so brick that significant numbers of fans with tickets stopped turning up to watch.
I would never criticise anyone who thought his appointment was a reasonable decision at the time. It’s easy to be wise in hindsight. It’s just that hindsight kicked in around November. And we’re dealing with the consequences of his time in charge now.
 
Robspur12 said:
I think we are nailed on to go down tbh. We have no survival momentum to build on. Every stat is in the wrong direction. We concede too many and can't score so we can't grind out a result like Sunderland did today. I don't think RDZ can save us now.
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Whatever happens it's going to be nervy.... With the situation as it is, it's nailed on to go to the last day of the season for us.
That's massive pressure for a club like us in itself. Uncharted waters.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
People are forgetting that under Frank we had a club record low for chances created in 4 games… in one season
And he wasn’t the only problem
The issue was the club not reacting to him being so bad bad out of his depth. The cowards in charge were never gonna under line themselves and left it way way too late to sack him. That’s firmly on them
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I'll keep saying Frank did not do well. But to blame him in isolation for our current predicament is a mistake imho. We have to look at the trend since about November of Ange's second season. It's been awful. I mean we are awful this season yet we still haven't lost as many games as we did last season. If we lose all our remaining games we will still only match that number. So blaming it all on Frank is a red herring imho. There are deeper issues at play. That said I still think Igor Tudor was a terrible appointment.
 
Mcfee said:
Frank seems to get a free pass from some and I’m mystified by the way in which some posters appear to have such a benign view of him. This was a manager who from the outset, completely misread his squad, overlooked their strengths and instead, with a full pre-season decided to adopt a dreadful, cowardly style of football. Who delivered a string of shocking performances, especially from November onwards. The results alone - which are the reason we’ve been pulled into a relegation battle - were horrific, but the style of play made it even worse. Some of the worst football we’ve witnessed from Spurs in years, so brick that significant numbers of fans with tickets stopped turning up to watch.
I would never criticise anyone who thought his appointment was a reasonable decision at the time. It’s easy to be wise in hindsight. It’s just that hindsight kicked in around November. And we’re dealing with the consequences of his time in charge now.
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I think people forget he set… I believe in order .. league records for lowest xgs vs Chelsea, Arsenal and Bournemouth and in 5th place I believe is Brentford away

Could see in November he was Nuno mk 2 here, but the cowards in charge wouldn’t react

It’s not Frank’s fault he wasn’t good enough but there was an issue there that seems to be have been parked in some memories
 
Robspur12 said:
I'll keep saying Frank did not do well. But to blame him in isolation for our current predicament is a mistake imho. We have to look at the trend since about November of Ange's second season. It's been awful. I mean we are awful this season yet we still haven't lost as many games as we did last season. If we lose all our remaining games we will still only match that number. So blaming it all on Frank is a red herring imho.
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I haven’t blamed him or done it in isolation. I’ve said it’s the cowards in charge who are to blame because they left him in charge to fester. If you don’t fix your issues early they take grip and become a fixture
 
Mcfee said:
Frank seems to get a free pass from some and I’m mystified by the way in which some posters appear to have such a benign view of him. This was a manager who from the outset, completely misread his squad, overlooked their strengths and instead, with a full pre-season decided to adopt a dreadful, cowardly style of football. Who delivered a string of shocking performances, especially from November onwards. The results alone - which are the reason we’ve been pulled into a relegation battle - were horrific, but the style of play made it even worse. Some of the worst football we’ve witnessed from Spurs in years, so brick that significant numbers of fans with tickets stopped turning up to watch.
I would never criticise anyone who thought his appointment was a reasonable decision at the time. It’s easy to be wise in hindsight. It’s just that hindsight kicked in around November. And we’re dealing with the consequences of his time in charge now.
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He doesn't get a free pass mate. He was unlikely to be good enough. But he is clearly not the only problem. We'll see that when his 2 successors are unable to reverse our direction of travel. Which if it was only him, they would be able to
 
Robspur12 said:
He doesn't get a free pass mate. He was unlikely to be good enough. But he is clearly not the only problem. We'll see that when his 2 successors are unable to reverse our direction of travel. Which if it was only him, they would be able to
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The players are demoralised (as is the club as a whole including us) and a lot of the blame for that is on him. Tudor was clearly not the answer. De Zerbi might have been 6 games ago but obviously the time to change was before January.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Could see in November he was Nuno mk 2
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Not having a go mate but if only we had Nuno MK2 we wouldn't be in a mess! Karma is going to bite us hard on the a*se this season. Arsenal will win the League, we'll be relegated probably at Stamford Bridge and Nuno Mk1 will keep his team up at our expense. So our 3 biggest rivals will be laughing into their beers. It's going to be awful.
 
Robspur12 said:
He doesn't get a free pass mate. He was unlikely to be good enough. But he is clearly not the only problem. We'll see that when his 2 successors are unable to reverse our direction of travel. Which if it was only him, they would be able to
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I agree with this but think we've actually got worse post Frank. In quite a few of his final games we were getting less than we deserved. Like Liverpool, West Ham, Bournemouth, Burnley. I dont think you could say that about any of our games since and also it was often one decent half/one brick half. We aren't even getting that now.

I fully understood Frank getting sacked but all its really proved is that he wasn't the main problem. It's the players.
 
Mcfee said:
Frank seems to get a free pass from some and I’m mystified by the way in which some posters appear to have such a benign view of him. This was a manager who from the outset, completely misread his squad, overlooked their strengths and instead, with a full pre-season decided to adopt a dreadful, cowardly style of football. Who delivered a string of shocking performances, especially from November onwards. The results alone - which are the reason we’ve been pulled into a relegation battle - were horrific, but the style of play made it even worse. Some of the worst football we’ve witnessed from Spurs in years, so brick that significant numbers of fans with tickets stopped turning up to watch.
I would never criticise anyone who thought his appointment was a reasonable decision at the time. It’s easy to be wise in hindsight. It’s just that hindsight kicked in around November. And we’re dealing with the consequences of his time in charge now.
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What strengths? He took over a squad that finished 17th and that was poor in every department.

The thing that confuses me is that there's a simple lesson to be taken from the last 2 seasons and that it's our squad is brick no matter who is in charge.
 
Mikey10 said:
I think we’ll be down at least a game or two before the last day of the season.
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The way this season has gone with it always being the worst outcome I can’t see it being anything other than the game against Chelsea which puts us down.

The only thing that would convince me we would make it to the last game is if that last game was at home to Arsenal, and them winning gave them the league and relegated us.
 
Mcfee said:
The players are demoralised (as is the club as a whole including us) and a lot of the blame for that is on him. Tudor was clearly not the answer. De Zerbi might have been 6 games ago but obviously the time to change was before January.
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That is one way of looking at it but I think it misses a few key points out. Another way is that injuries have taken away our best players over the last 2 seasons and we haven't got a good enough recruitment system to have covered those losses as well as an overall drop in quality. We can't build any momentum and that has put us where we are and now we are in too deep to get ourselves out. Unless RDZ performs a miracle.
 
Bedfordspurs said:
I think people forget he set… I believe in order .. league records for lowest xgs vs Chelsea, Arsenal and Bournemouth and in 5th place I believe is Brentford away

Could see in November he was Nuno mk 2 here, but the cowards in charge wouldn’t react

It’s not Frank’s fault he wasn’t good enough but there was an issue there that seems to be have been parked in some memories
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My personal opinion was aligned with @DeanoAustin in that we have bottomed out and are due some wins as we aren't THAT bad as to pick up record low points over such a period.

But if we do go down there seems to be two critical decisions that have sent us down and those decision makers need to pay for it:

1) Keeping Frank after the West Ham defeat - he could easily have been sacked before then but that was the absolute latest he should have gone, West Ham hadn't won a game in 10 until then

2) Appointing Tudor - They should have seen the absolute desperate state we was in and broken the bank for De Zerbi then. Had he got those 4 games he would have had decent time to learn about his players and perhaps/probably got more points.

Whatever happens a lot needs to change, there needs to be serious auditing in various areas of our club....
 
This is not by any means an excuse for what’s happening on the pitch. But clubs (Sunderland and Saudi Sportswashing Machine) simply should not be allowed to stick all away fans far up in the stands. It’s a PL requirement that every club makes space available for away fans at pitch side and if you can’t easily configure that after one or two seasons then you shouldn’t be in the. PL. As I say it’s not an excuse for what’s happening or not happening on the pitch but every team should have the right for at least some of their supporters to be at pitch level.
Otherwise we should be allowed to treat their supporters in the same way.
 
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