OMT: European Champions v Brighton - Sunday 25 May

[SpurMeUp]

Huh??? Literally the entire squad has been on a 3 day bender. Jesus fudging Christ I just cannot believe what I read from Spurs fans sometimes.

The issue isn’t the loss. It’s that relatively basic things we do badly. When Conte and Nuno were sacked, it felt unfair as you could see what they were trying to do: build a strong defensive foundation. Whilst Ange is trying to play like City or PSG, we don’t do so many of the fundamentals. Our press is ineffective. Leaves our forwards unable to attack a lot of the time. Our shape defending has no tactical awareness - we don’t manage who gets the ball in the opposition. We don’t even contest opposition throw ins.

 

[Mrs Vert]

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Huh??? Literally the entire squad has been on a 3 day bender. Jesus fudging Christ I just cannot believe what I read from Spurs fans sometimes.

I don't think they literally meant just this result.....maybe the 21 before it. And yes I am still enjoying the cup win

 

[Legohamster]

I think Levy will give Ange half a dozen games next season and if the performances are bad he will sack him!
then ...I hope he will go and sack himself.

That is so pointless.

He needs to make the decision to give him the whole season or goes now

 

[billyiddo]

That is so pointless.

He needs to make the decision to give him the whole season or goes now

Taking all sentiment & optics out of the equation and it's a straight forward footballing decision to sack him, but i think there are people/groups that would use a sacking as fuel to create a toxic atmosphere around the club, you can see the shoots of it already - i think it would get quite ugly. And I think for that reason we need to let him have the start of next season.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

That is so pointless.

He needs to make the decision to give him the whole season or goes now

What if we are in the bottom 3 with 10 games gone. You still going to give him the entire season?

 

[tommysvr]

Taking all sentiment & optics out of the equation and it's a straight forward footballing decision to sack him, but i think there are people/groups that would use a sacking as fuel to create a toxic atmosphere around the club, you can see the shoots of it already - i think it would get quite ugly. And I think for that reason we need to let him have the start of next season.

In what would is it straight forward? Why do you ignore what the players feel in this?

 

[Legohamster]

What if we are in the bottom 3 with 10 games gone. You still going to give him the entire season?

If that's the case the club would deserve what they backed

 

[billyiddo]

In what would is it straight forward? Why do you ignore what the players feel in this?

It's straight forward because there is a clear downward curve plotted over 2 seasons that has us heading towards relegation levels.

I couldn't give a toss if our players love the manager if anything that makes it worse - we know the players love him and are giving it their best - so the whole buy-in post EL win argument is moot, they're already bought in, so what does that tell us?

 

[tommysvr]

It's straight forward because there is a clear downward curve plotted over 2 seasons that has us heading towards relegation levels.

If you ignore literally everything else that has happened, yes. Very straight forward.

 

[Gutter Boy]

That is so pointless.

He needs to make the decision to give him the whole season or goes now

If anyone believes in him, then why not give him a new 4 year deal? Or is he just left stumbling on drowning for a yesr because Levy wont pay Poch's release clause (Slot all over again)?

 

[Mr Gogolak]

It's straight forward because there is a clear downward curve plotted over 2 seasons that has us heading towards relegation levels.

I couldn't give a toss if our players love the manager if anything that makes it worse - we know the players love him and are giving it their best - so the whole buy-in post EL win argument is moot, they're already bought in, so what does that tell us?

Player power is only good when they happen to agree with you. When your favourite manager is sacked because he's lost the dressing room or you have to write the season off because the players 'revolt' against the manager, it's not so cool anymore.

Why not ask the players to choose the manager themselves, while we're at it?

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

If you ignore literally everything else that has happened, yes. Very straight forward.

So at what point does it become a legitimate decision to get rid of him for you?

Because the downwards trend is there.

The "everything else that has happened" presumably the Europa win and constant injuries.

I'm just trying to figure out at what point being right at the bottom of the league and playing like turd trumps "but he won us a cup and he's got injuries"

 

[SpurMeUp]

Taking all sentiment & optics out of the equation and it's a straight forward footballing decision to sack him, but i think there are people/groups that would use a sacking as fuel to create a toxic atmosphere around the club, you can see the shoots of it already - i think it would get quite ugly. And I think for that reason we need to let him have the start of next season.

We don’t have an amazing squad. Whoever becomes the next manager needs a solid preseason to get the players well drilled. To throw in a new manager with CL and league games coming thick and fast isn’t the way to run a club.

I think fans have to step back and simply appraise the way we play as a team. And base their judgment upon that. For me at least, there are too many naiveties in the way we play, and too many basics that are ineffective. There are positives too: our passing is better, our attacking game has moments of looking good, we score a lot of goals (for a side that isn’t working well), Ange is a good psychologist and is fully dedicated. But I can’t see him addressing all the detail that we are missing atm.

 

[Kandi1977]

So not a 4-1 loss then.

Circumstances are the same. Didn't win, but still a reason to celebrate.

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

We don’t have an amazing squad. Whoever becomes the next manager needs a solid preseason to get the players well drilled. To throw in a new manager with CL and league games coming thick and fast isn’t the way to run a club.

I think fans have to step back and simply appraise the way we play as a team. And base their judgment upon that. For me at least, there are too many nativities in the way we play, and too many basics that are ineffective. There are positives too: our passing is better, our attacking game has moments of looking good, we score a lot of goals (for a side that isn’t working well), Ange is a good psychologist and is fully dedicated. But I can’t see him addressing all the detail that we are missing atm.

I think the squad would appear a lot better with "proper drilling" as you say. Conte got us 4th with:

Kane
Son
Kulusevski (for half a season)
Emerson
Bentancur (for half a season)
Hojbjerg
Sessegnon
Dier
Romero
Davies
Lloris

There wasn't a huge amount on the bench for him either....

Now obviously Kane and Lloris are huge losses but in general our squad has more depth.

There's a consistent theme of us bringing in players over the last few years like Maddison, Solanke, Bissouma and Udogie only for them to significantly under-perform here compared to the output posted at their previous clubs when we signed them.

 

[SpurMeUp]

I think the squad would appear a lot better with "proper drilling" as you say. Conte got us 4th with:

Kane
Son
Kulusevski (for half a season)
Emerson
Bentancur (for half a season)
Hojbjerg
Sessegnon
Dier
Romero
Davies
Lloris

There wasn't a huge amount on the bench for him either....

Now obviously Kane and Lloris are huge losses but in general our squad has more depth.

There's a consistent theme of us bringing in players over the last few years like Maddison, Solanke, Bissouma and Udogie only for them to significantly under-perform here compared to the output posted at their previous clubs when we signed them.

Kane and Son in his pomp. World class attackers.To get 4th place with the rest of the team he had to make us pretty defensive and then rely on the aforementioned banging in the goals - which they did.

 

[Mosquito_Coasting]

We'll only be in a relegation battle if we suffer massive injuries again - probs be in one then.

 

[DTA]

We'll only be in a relegation battle if we suffer massive injuries again - probs be in one then.

Even after the injuries mostly cleared up we were still in relegation form.

If he stays he needs to change his system and convince the higher ups that his new system is sufficiently adaptable that when people make adjustments he too can make adjustments as countermeasures.

I’m not completely against him staying unless he is going to into next season with the same system that would have seen us relegated in almost all seasons apart from this one.

 

[billyiddo]

Kane and Son in his pomp. World class attackers.To get 4th place with the rest of the team he had to make us pretty defensive and then rely on the aforementioned banging in the goals - which they did.

We wasn't particularly defensive in that first half season

 

[Silly McSilly Face]

Kane and Son in his pomp. World class attackers.To get 4th place with the rest of the team he had to make us pretty defensive and then rely on the aforementioned banging in the goals - which they did.

So a well drilled set up utilising the strengths of what was available while minimising the weaknesses, right?

Son in his pomp comment too - there's an assumption that the marked decline in Son's contribution over the last two seasons is down to age. And I do think thats an assumption.