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**Official Other Games Thread, Season 2012/13**

when was the last time the holders weren't at the next World Cup?

It was only in 2006 that Blatter changed the rule which had previously meant that World Cup winners automatically qualified for the proceeding finals. Apparently the only side not to defend their title was Uruguay who refused to travel to Italy in 1934.
 
Wales win! Without Bale as well! They have a half decent team if they can keep them fit.

Scotland must be really shyte if they can lose at home to Wales who played without Bale in the second half.:lol:
Don't think Scotland had a decent team since the early 1980s.
 
Millner, Smalling, Cleverly, Lescott, Wellbeck in the England XI, seriously WTF no wonder I dont bother watching this crap anymore
 
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