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Mohammed Kudus

markysimmo said:
Difference was we gave up the leaue for the EL
They didn't give up anything and were still absolute pony
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This "give up the league" is a load of cobblers. We played strong teams in the league and the players "rested" were returning from long-term injury and could not play 2 games a week. When we lost 2-0 at home to Crystal Palace and got utterly played off the park, our team was: Kinsky / Porro Danso Davies Spence / Bentancur Gray Sarr / Kulusevski Tel Odobert

Now many of those players should have been motivated to stake a claim for a Europa spot, professional pride, they should have at least been organised. They weren't. They were all over the place and so they either aren't very good players or they weren't being properly trained, organised and coached. Or a combination of the two. The idea that we just abandoned all these run in games and so you cant count them all in terms of an analysis of where we are and the challenges we face in getting back to where we want to be is just so out there whack - its like alcoholism or gambling.

You can't start tackling the problem until you admit there is a problem and acknowledge the scale of the problem.
 
harr1984 said:
I'm all for supporting Kudus, but this 'Yeah but he plays for West Ham' argument regarding his poor output is nonsense. Plenty of players at poor teams put in good numbers, hence why they get picked up by better teams. And it didn't stop Bowen putting in very good numbers at the same team. Why? Because he is actually a really good player.

Kudus currently is good at dribbling and physically strong and is the type of player that get bums off seats for sure. But he currently lacks footballing intelligence and the reason his numbers are what they are is because of him. Obviously Frank believes he can coach him to be more productive which is great, we've backed the manager so let's see if both manager and player delivers....
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He did rack up a much better points tally in the previous season where west ham did better though. I honestly know fudge all about him beyond what I've seen of him, so not really trying to argue your points. I do think he looks a very exciting player.
 
harr1984 said:
I'm all for supporting Kudus, but this 'Yeah but he plays for West Ham' argument regarding his poor output is nonsense. Plenty of players at poor teams put in good numbers, hence why they get picked up by better teams. And it didn't stop Bowen putting in very good numbers at the same team. Why? Because he is actually a really good player.

Kudus currently is good at dribbling and physically strong and is the type of player that get bums off seats for sure. But he currently lacks footballing intelligence and the reason his numbers are what they are is because of him. Obviously Frank believes he can coach him to be more productive which is great, we've backed the manager so let's see if both manager and player delivers....
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Does Frank believe that and did he ask for this signing or is Kudus someone on the club list for a while and we simply saw an opportunity to do a quick relatively cheap deal ?
 
Just did the 10 min YouTube check...

He really is reminiscent of Dembele with his low centre of gravity strength and twisting and turning in both direction, along with that flick the ball and ghost past someone when the defender thinks they're tight on you. (Maybe not fully Dembele levels but getting there)

The other thing that stood out is even after bringing out the tricks and beating 1 or 2 players he is still looking to pass or cross...so many skilful players just get into greedy glory mode when on a roll

He has pace combined with the strength as well.

Of course, everything has to translate to numbers that help our overall ambitions and there's a long string of these type of players that just end up with as highlight reel. But I quite like he has pace and power to go with trickery...its a wider toolset for the manager to explore.

And fingers crossed we've profiled his mentality....as the higher you go up the levels the more this is required
 
Silly McSilly Face said:
Does Frank believe that and did he ask for this signing or is Kudus someone on the club list for a while and we simply saw an opportunity to do a quick relatively cheap deal ?
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We've allegedly been in talks with frank for a couple of months. So am guessing he'd have had input on what areas he wants to strengthen. Also spurs managers get a veto of any senior signing they don't want.
 
harr1984 said:
He's not worth the quoted 65m plus at all. Would like to think with our improved scouting we can find someone who can hit double figures in the league for goals and assists (something he has failed to do) for half the price:
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The only problem is that all that 30 mill gets you nowadays is potential - and not even potential from the premiership (Dibling is priced at 50mill).
Hit and miss whether he will cut it in a top premiership team.

People have slated Levy for not paying market prices... so the only comparison you can make is with players sold for the same price tag. So the question is self evident:

Who would you prefer for 55mill: Elanga or Kudus? There is not a moment's hesitancy I would need to answer that question
 
harr1984 said:
I haven't made any take, I'm stating facts. His goalscoring is poor for a forward, his assists are too. The very good wing forwards in the league do both well, to date he does neither.

The only good thing he does is dribble, but the majority of the time it is not into dangerous areas. Bowen played up front plenty of times when Kudus played, and Kudus created 4 big chances in the whole of last season so trying to make out as if it was just because West Ham didn't have some top striker up front is a weak argument.

He might improve, but it's far from a given.....
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Mbeumo, as an example, didn't exactly have numbers that lit up the league prior to last season. How do we know Kudus won't have a similar trajectory? Based only on what he's done already at 22 and 23 years of age?
 
Daisuk said:
He did rack up a much better points tally in the previous season where west ham did better though. I honestly know fudge all about him beyond what I've seen of him, so not really trying to argue your points. I do think he looks a very exciting player.
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He racked up good numbers playing right wing, IMO the position where he is most dangerous and the position that I think he will primarily be used for us. Last season he was moved around across a number of positions and didn't have a great season.
 
alekaras said:
Mbeumo, as an example, didn't exactly have numbers that lit up the league prior to last season. How do we know Kudus won't have a similar trajectory? Based only on what he's done already at 22 and 23 years of age?
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Yep, just like Solanke who had one good goalscoring season and we sign him and follows that up with single digits in the league for us.

So for Mbuemo you will have to see how the next couple of seasons go, you can't just say he's on an upward trajectory because of one good season. And absolutely Kudus could improve his numbers, at no point have I said otherwise....
 
harr1984 said:
Yep, just like Solanke who had one good goalscoring season and we sign him and follows that up with single digits in the league for us.

So for Mbuemo you will have to see how the next couple of seasons go, you can't just say he's on an upward trajectory because of one good season. And absolutely Kudus could improve his numbers, at no point have I said otherwise....
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Solanke is a good player. Could we buy somebody better?... Sure, but he would cost a lot of money and demand wages outside of our budget.
 
Finney Is Back said:
Solanke is a good player. Could we buy somebody better?... Sure, but he would cost a lot of money and demand wages outside of our budget.
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Yeah he's a decent all round player, point being his goal stats have been poor - average for every season but one.

Through no fault of his own the drop off from Kane/Son days is stark not just CF but all forward positions and like you say would have to go outside our wage budget to acquire anything close again....
 
harr1984 said:
Yeah he's a decent all round player, point being his goal stats have been poor - average for every season but one.

Through no fault of his own the drop off from Kane/Son days is stark not just CF but all forward positions and like you say would have to go outside our wage budget to acquire anything close again....
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We're not buying anyone close to peak Son and Kane. We'd have to repeat either developing them in the academy or buying them before they have a real breakout season.
 
harr1984 said:
Yeah he's a decent all round player, point being his goal stats have been poor - average for every season but one.

Through no fault of his own the drop off from Kane/Son days is stark not just CF but all forward positions and like you say would have to go outside our wage budget to acquire anything close again....
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And even then they wouldn’t come as they’d have other suitors if they were that good already…
 
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