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Mauricio Pochettino - Sacked
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SAF rotated much more than Wenger .. just in a different way
SAF tended to play younger players earlier in season, switching to senor players in 2nd half
SAF also has had a tendency to have 2 or 3 dependable bench players that never really make 1st 11.
metalgear
Nayim
ok point noted but there was less chopping and changing game to game, less disruption, more opportunities for strong team cohesion. and its not extremes we're talking about but a balance needed to consistently put out your best eleven over the course of the season.
and its not like leicester has a bigger squad than us; if we went head to head with them with our first eleven we i would expect our players to still be better than them.
Robspur12
John Lacy
Agreed.
sc25
Banned
Coaching then? Assuming your are right, could other managers address this and get more out of these (costly) 2nd stringers.
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Part of it is coaching, but specifically to our issues, in a fairly big squad, I think there are 3 or 4 that have no place in the team, and maybe a change of scenery will work for them, but probably the best solution (and I usually don't like selling as a solution) for us is to move them on.
I think the system the club is going for, requires committed players, and we have a few who simply don't do that with any consistency
sc25
Banned
I hear ya, and I would prolly agree with that. You make good points. However, I did see this earlier...
Which is worriesome to me. From a very good squad...to needing 1 or 2 additions at certain positions...to half the squad. Hmmm. And Kane, Mason, and Bentalab weren't considered great, or at least were unproven, at the start of this season. There is going to be a lot of movement in the windows then. At some point.
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I hear ya, and I would prolly agree with that. You make good points. However, I did see this earlier...
Which is worriesome to me. From a very good squad...to needing 1 or 2 additions at certain positions...to half the squad. Hmmm. And Kane, Mason, and Bentalab weren't considered great, or at least were unproven, at the start of this season. There is going to be a lot of movement in the windows then. At some point.
I would not be happy shifting half the squad ..
4 or 5 tops ..
milo
Jack L. Jones
I'm not suggesting that he would be willing to shift out half of the squad in one go.
milo
Jack L. Jones
I'm not suggesting that he would be willing to shift out half of the squad in one go.
Kaboul, Ekotto, Capoue, Dembele, Paulinho, Lennon, Soldado and Adebayor
players i envisage being on the 'can go' list
not a bad group of players by any stretch and will mostly all go on to play in good teams should they leave - however i don't think they are what we need in the squad at the moment and are all upgradeable.
Ekotto and Kaboul are no longer at the required level
Dembele isn't really suited to the managers style - could still turn it around i guess
Soldado Capoue and Paulinho haven't cut the mustard/don't seem suited to the league
Ade is Ade
not really sure with Lennon but Townsends recent quotes about working hard in training resulting in chances in the first team makes me wonder if this could be the reasoning behind his lack of involvement?
players i envisage being on the 'can go' list
not a bad group of players by any stretch and will mostly all go on to play in good teams should they leave - however i don't think they are what we need in the squad at the moment and are all upgradeable.
Ekotto and Kaboul are no longer at the required level
Dembele isn't really suited to the managers style - could still turn it around i guess
Soldado Capoue and Paulinho haven't cut the mustard/don't seem suited to the league
Ade is Ade
not really sure with Lennon but Townsends recent quotes about working hard in training resulting in chances in the first team makes me wonder if this could be the reasoning behind his lack of involvement?
Here it is,I knew I wasn't going mad! :lol:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/dec/29/alex-ferguson-manchester-united-squad-rotation
When Sir Alex Ferguson was asked recently about the team he was planning to play in the next match he leant back in his chair and announced to the assembled journalists that if anyone predicted his side accurately he would pay for them to have a weekend in Loch Lomond before adding, Fergie being Fergie, that he would make sure "the midges were out". The prize, as you can imagine, went unclaimed. It has become football's equivalent of nailing a jelly to the wall and tomorrow, when Wigan Athletic visit Old Trafford, we can expect it to be the 99th consecutive game in which the Manchester United manager has not kept the same side.
I remember seeing something on a Liverpool site, where they said that RB used to get caned for rotating too much, but infact he made the same number of changes to his team as Jose and Fergie (over the course of a season). I suppose it helps if you win the league as well though!
For us, we struggle to rotate because we have too many players who can't come in and hit the ground running. The likes of Paulinho seem to need about 3 months training, then be eased into the side in the exact position required and then another 25 starts before we can expect to see a performance that can be rated 6 out of 10.
LutonSpurs
Eric Dear
Fergie would make one or two changes every game and keep the squad rotating. What he did have was a very good squad.
Danishfurniturelover
the prettiest spice girl
I like Poch think he is a good manager and like his style of play, I am a little sad about going out in the cup as I would love to see us win it again before I die.
Someone said elsewhere that the are a lot of players they do not care for, I agree it is hard to really like some of our players. The young ones are they only thing that has kept me interested for so long.
What ever you think of him it is obvious Soldado is not up to what we need, which is goals.
I would be happy to see the back of Kaboul, Ekotto, Chiriches, Capoue, Paulinho, Lennon, Dembele, Ade, Soldado. None of them are good enough, the are a few others I doubt are good enough either like chiriches and townsend and holtby but I would keep them around for a bit.
Someone said elsewhere that the are a lot of players they do not care for, I agree it is hard to really like some of our players. The young ones are they only thing that has kept me interested for so long.
What ever you think of him it is obvious Soldado is not up to what we need, which is goals.
I would be happy to see the back of Kaboul, Ekotto, Chiriches, Capoue, Paulinho, Lennon, Dembele, Ade, Soldado. None of them are good enough, the are a few others I doubt are good enough either like chiriches and townsend and holtby but I would keep them around for a bit.
Bullet
Luka Modric
In terms of player rotation:
There is a big difference between inserting 2 different players each week... and just playing an entirely different team in certain competitions.
In the first system you keep a pretty settled side, but each player might play a lot of games in a row, then get a break.
In the second system, you play each Saturday or each Wednesday, but not both.
At some points Poch seemed to favour the second system... play the reserves in UEFA or early League Cup or early FA Cup, whilst retaining the "main team" for the league.
But to be honest it is hard to keep up because at some stage he thought players like Ade, Kaboul, Capoue, Paulinho were first teamers which boggled my mind... but eventually he realised they are terrible and they became the reserve players... so it is hard to know what he has been up to!
There is a big difference between inserting 2 different players each week... and just playing an entirely different team in certain competitions.
In the first system you keep a pretty settled side, but each player might play a lot of games in a row, then get a break.
In the second system, you play each Saturday or each Wednesday, but not both.
At some points Poch seemed to favour the second system... play the reserves in UEFA or early League Cup or early FA Cup, whilst retaining the "main team" for the league.
But to be honest it is hard to keep up because at some stage he thought players like Ade, Kaboul, Capoue, Paulinho were first teamers which boggled my mind... but eventually he realised they are terrible and they became the reserve players... so it is hard to know what he has been up to!