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Man United should 'snub the Europa League - a tournament for losers'

On the Europa Handicap Chase:
Manchester United should play a tea lady in goal if it helps to avoid the Europa League

Seventh place is the holy grail for ambitious Premier League clubs who want to lift the curse of Thursdays in the Baltics and a tea lady in goal could help Manchester United avoid qualification


On the eve of a weekend featuring pivotal six-pointers at both ends of the Premier League table, with Liverpool hosting Emirates Marketing Project and Norwich visiting Fulham, this seems the perfect time to slay some myths. It may appear that the crucial domestic footballing battles du jour are those for the title, the last Champions League slot and the avoidance of relegation.

But it only seems that way, and the most significant scrap is the downhill slalom to finish seventh, thereby securing non-qualification for the Europa League.

This is something you are unlikely to hear from the three managers consumed by the phobia of finishing fifth or sixth. Ask Arsène Wenger, David Moyes and Tim Sherwood, and all would deny it.

Yet if, for whatever curious reason, the CIA extraordinarily rendered them to a friendly middle eastern capital for a top-level summit between their genitals and a pair of electrodes, they would confess the preference to spending the next decade being water-boarded in a US enclave on Cuba over snaffling a Europa League berth.

This is in no way to denigrate a perfectly magnificent competition. For those who live only to spend their Thursdays visiting Baltic states, it may be the greatest tournament on earth. And yet, however powerful the urge to enjoy the scenery on the coach ride into town from Riga airport, playing interminable Europa ties is a curse for a club with ambitions to challenge for the title, or merely to join the big boys in the Champions League.

The fixture list is interminable. The travel is as fatiguing as the financial benefits are negligible. Winning the trophy would be meaningless consolation for Arsenal and Manchester United to whom Europa qualification counts as the equivalent of Michelangelo being required, by a community service order, to paint cartoon characters on the ceiling of a Droitwich parish church. Spurs, meanwhile, have had enough Europa experience to want no more.

For each, the dilemma is different. With Arsenal locked in combat with Everton for that final Champions League place, Wenger’s conundrum is whether to go full tilt for fourth, risking certain Europa qualification should he fail; or to throw every remaining match in the distant hope of finishing seventh. By and large, he would be wiser to go for broke and opt for the former.

As for Sherwood, since he is certain to be fired next month, he must calculate whether it is worth jeopardising any future employment prospects to avenge himself on his chairman, the genius Daniel Levy, by nurdling sixth place for Spurs and sabotaging the club’s chances of Champions League qualification next season. Judging by Tottenham’s 5-1 demolition of Sunderland on Monday night, he has concluded that it is.

For Moyes, on the other hand, the equation could not be simpler. Since Manchester United have zero chance of finishing fourth, and assuming that Moyes wants to keep his job, the advice is to prosecute the campaign for seventh without delay. On Sunday week, when United visit Everton, he must take a radically original approach to team selection and subtly refine his tactics.

While we are familiar with a goalkeeper charging into the opposition box for an added-time corner, Moyes must play David de Gea as a striker from the start, filling the vacancy with Old Trafford’s most arthritic tea lady.

She should be chained to her urn while badgering the back four, in the style of Craggy Island’s Mrs Doyle, to “go on, go on, go on, go on ...” and have a lovely cup of cha.

At half-time, if the result remained in doubt, the sensible move would be the triple substitution of Wayne Rooney, Michael Carrick and Nemanja Vidic with, respectively, a hamster, a terrapin and a sloth.

If that did not prove decisive, he should put De Gea back in goal for the closing minutes, moving the tea lady to central defence. She might be quicker and less liable to be turned inside out than Rio Ferdinand, but not by much.

There is a remote chance that the Football Association would take umbrage at these innovations, and penalise United accordingly. In this instance, the most condign punishment would not be docking United points for fielding ineligible players, and an arguably even less eligible item of tea-distribution furniture. It would be awarding the club extra points to ensure their qualification for the Europa League.
 
Unless things have changed, aren't the 3 places awarded to ?:


4th place where Champions League winner not qualified (nearly Man U this year, Chelsea safe anyway)

FA Cup winner if not already qualified, else losing finalist (could be interesting)

League Cup winner if not already qualified - NOT losing finalist , Emirates Marketing Project safe this year?)

5th place

6th place

7th place


Which means in another year 5th 6th & 7th could miss out.

As it stands, If Scum win FA Cup but finish 4th, Hull or Sheffield would get a spot. Otherwise it will be winners of Wigan, Hull, Sheffield. 6th would get the last spot - so at the moment it's us with Man U pressing?. 7th would NOT qualify for Europe.

If scum win FA Cup but are in 5th (Everton 4th), they take the Cup spot. 6th (Spurs/) and 7th (Man U) would get the rest.

Unless there are rule changes a-coming that I've not heard of. Life used to be so simple.
 
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5th place always qualifies for EL (unless they win the Champions League).

If CL winner does not finish in the top 4 and would not have qualified for EL, then 4th place goes into EL and England would have 4 EL entrants.
 
Do you have a source for that ?. Or is that what happened when Chelski did their stuff?

Liverpool's was a one-off.

Qualifiers may be added to if Fair Play works for England.

I note that Eufa have now decreed that National Cup losers won't pick up the spot from 20/15/16 - not sure If that isthe qualifying year or competition yeaUe
 
Paragraph 2.03(b) of the Champions League Regulations.
http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/competitions/Regulations/01/94/62/34/1946234_DOWNLOAD.pdf

When it happened with Chelsea they would have qualified for the EL as FA Cup winners. In that situation England didn't get an extra place - Chelsea didn't enter the EL but Spurs did.

I believe the change for domestic cup runners-up comes in for entry in the 2015/16 EL - ie applies to next season's FA Cup.

Ta for that .... I'd tried Uefa stuff bust missed that bit. However, there is a second if in there - so the extra place would only apply if Champions League defenders had NOT qualified for Europa League.

And then there's always the last-minute Ueafa 'we will decide when it suits us'.

Come on Hull .... Livermore's likely to be our only medal winner this year.
 
PL fixture 20 April: Hull v Arsenal. If Hull have EL ambitions they would be better off losing this game. It would increase Arsenal's chance of finishing in the top 4 which would guarantee Hull entry to the EL regardless of the result of the FA Cup final.
 
PL fixture 20 April: Hull v Arsenal. If Hull have EL ambitions they would be better off losing this game. It would increase Arsenal's chance of finishing in the top 4 which would guarantee Hull entry to the EL regardless of the result of the FA Cup final.

Eh? Surely Hull in Europe regardless?
 
PL fixture 20 April: Hull v Arsenal. If Hull have EL ambitions they would be better off losing this game. It would increase Arsenal's chance of finishing in the top 4 which would guarantee Hull entry to the EL regardless of the result of the FA Cup final.

Good spot.

I suppose they wouldnt be the first team to go into match half-hearted, but tbh I think they would want to go for the win, what a confidence boost it would give their players for the final, knowing they had just recently beat them.

Could be an interesting watch though
 
So the cup qualification for Europe takes precedence and the league qualification passes down, rather than the league takes precedence and the cup passes to runner up?

The losing FA Cup finalist only qualifies for EL if the cup winner qualifies for CL (and not if the cup winner would qualify for EL through the league or league cup). From next season the losing cup finalist cannot qualify at all - which will surely devalue the competition further.

Good spot.

I suppose they wouldnt be the first team to go into match half-hearted, but tbh I think they would want to go for the win, what a confidence boost it would give their players for the final, knowing they had just recently beat them.

Could be an interesting watch though

I can't really believe that a top tier club would set out to lose a match; just pointing out the potential conflict of interests. Although, I don't think Hull would fancy their chances of beating Arsenal twice in less than a month and, to some extent, would probably prefer to "keep their powder dry" for the FA Cup final. However, you could set against that the fact that Long and Jelavic can't play in the cup final because they're cup-tied.
 
The losing FA Cup finalist only qualifies for EL if the cup winner qualifies for CL (and not if the cup winner would qualify for EL through the league or league cup). From next season the losing cup finalist cannot qualify at all - which will surely devalue the competition further.

Thanks for the clarification.

Regarding Hull throwing the league game, it always seems that when teams are playing each other in the league and cup in quick succession, that one team takes all, so a dangerous precedence to concede the psychological advantage.
 
i hop we dont qualify for the europa, look how liverpool are doing with no euro distractions, the thursday sunday scheduling is terrible
 
i hop we dont qualify for the europa, look how liverpool are doing with no euro distractions, the thursday sunday scheduling is terrible

It is, but tbh when you play in ther CL, a percentage of matches in that will be Weds/Sat, granted not all
 
It would be nice if the CL dropouts were replaced in part by the top performers from EL. If it's getting the hot sides in CL then fine, else it's one-way traffic so why do it?

Looks like we'll have two things up on Man U

1. A place in Europe

2. A manager

Mind you, both are still up for grabs
 
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