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Gary Stevens
If it's a loan (even with an obligation), I'd be hoping for a Jan recall clause....
fudge knows where we might be! Prepare for the worst, hope for the best...and all that!
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Kevin Danso
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fudge knows where we might be! Prepare for the worst, hope for the best...and all that!
spurspinter1
John Lacy
It's an odd one.
Going by form of last season and just a couple of games (I know it's too soon to properly judge) you can't blame him for leaving...And a few years ago it'd sound absolutely insane to suggest Sunderland finishing above us, but is now a reasonable prediction.
It's that attacker / defender thing, find me a defender who doesn't have a mistake in him, even the best fudge up. But from a scale of Chiriches to Maldini, he was further towards the Maldini side (let's see how many misinterpret this bit!), by no means perfect but available and reliable. Plus a likable guy too, and I absolutely wish him the best.
It's not like a Sanchez type player where I felt bad for him, Kev obviously has what it takes to play in this league and Sunderland are a decent outfit.
Bishop
Cecil Poynton
He made two really memorable mistakes and only one of them was in a professional match. I guess because of them the narrative for him has been set. It's strangest because he makes fewer mistakes than VDV does but people will sing his praises and rarely mention the repeated mistakes VDV makes pretty much game after game.
Anyway it's done now. He's moved on. Good luck to him.
thfcsteff
Fanny Walden
VdV played over 4800 minutes to Danso's 2690. Given the shape of things, your assumption might hold true. I am still amused that this discussion is ongoing. As for VdV's 'repeated mistakes game after game' comment? Come on. That's nonsense.
Good luck to Danso, agreed.
metalgear
Paul Stewart
"the club" seems to be bent on making VDV and Gray the pillars of the revamp.
RDZ seems to be aware by bringing in VDH and senesi, along with the re-signing of Davies
Hopefully RDZ continues his ruthless squad building streak onto the pitch and doesn't play favourites.
K.D.D.D.D.Soc
Andy Thompson
Sorry to see him go, he looked a good player to me, seemed to give his all in every game, not a "superstar" but you don't have to be if you're reliable.
Without doubt, Danso deserves our gratitude for his stellar contribution to keep us up in the last dozen games of last season. But OMG you would think we were selling a prime van Dijk. Whether people like it or not, Danso was fourth choice and he would likely have started less than a handful of games... probably only coming in to give some aerial presence late in games where we were defending a result. We have recuped the fee we paid for him and even made a book profit and found a replacement with even better aerial presence - and (from his Fulham days) vastly superior pace, ball control, creativity and passing accuracy...
I am not suire how much of this negative reaction stems from the fact that people resent us taking "Chelscum rejects", which is something that doesn't bother me at all. If we get the Fulham Tosin we chased two years ago, then he will be more than an adequate replacement for Danso.
I am not suire how much of this negative reaction stems from the fact that people resent us taking "Chelscum rejects", which is something that doesn't bother me at all. If we get the Fulham Tosin we chased two years ago, then he will be more than an adequate replacement for Danso.
Bishop
Cecil Poynton
I might just for you start taping the matches and highlighting them for you because you don't notice them.
There are some specific errors he makes weekly. He lets his man run off him all the time. Almost every everyone of his lung bursting recovery tackles is becauae he let the attacker drift away from him. Yes the tackle looks impressive, but if he had just tracked his man or paid attention to his movement in the first place the last ditch tackle wouldn't even be neccesary.
MartyFunkhouser
Vivian Woodward
I might just for you start taping the matches and highlighting them for you because you don't notice them.
There are some specific errors he makes weekly. He lets his man run off him all the time. Almost every everyone of his lung bursting recovery tackles is becauae he let the attacker drift away from him. Yes the tackle looks impressive, but if he had just tracked his man or paid attention to his movement in the first place the last ditch tackle wouldn't even be neccesary.
MVDV biggest issue IMO is positional sense, in the box he has terrible positional awareness
Robspur12
Johnny Morrison
It's probably because we have already conceded 5 goals in 2 games and have conceded 60 goals a season for the past 3 seasons. That has coincided with some of our worst performances and finishes in the league. The only time we looked remotely like bucking that trend was those final few games when Danso replaced Romero alongside MVDV. The concern therefore is totally understandable. The reaction to that concern seems less so.
Let's wait until the season progresses before we decide it was a good or poor decision. Hopefully it will be vindicated.
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thfcsteff
Fanny Walden
I might just for you start taping the matches and highlighting them for you because you don't notice them.
There are some specific errors he makes weekly. He lets his man run off him all the time. Almost every everyone of his lung bursting recovery tackles is becauae he let the attacker drift away from him. Yes the tackle looks impressive, but if he had just tracked his man or paid attention to his movement in the first place the last ditch tackle wouldn't even be neccesary.
Tell you what, before sending me anything, might I suggest you anoint the following as worthy of your omnipotent wisdom?
Roberto De Zerbi
Ronald Koeman
Ange Postecoglu
Johan Lange
While you're at it on your generous re-education program for the blind, why not tell RDZ that making VdV captain is the wrong move?
I can get you an inside address if you wish...
...and yeah, my copy? You can keep it. Save the planet and send my copy to one of the above.
You might wish to consider that you're not the coach, and as such, your ideas and concepts around what is or isn't a mistake might not hold much weight the gentlemen above. FWIW, VdV has been charged with two errors leading to goals in his career with us, and I think it is fair to say that his speed and recovery allows managers to be more aggressive in how we look to hold our defensive lines versus pushing up/allowing VdV to use that pace to cover others as well as 'cheat' himself. IMO it is pretty simplistic to think that he simply 'makes mistakes positionally every game' more than what you're seeing is the product of how the team deploys itself (which is once again different this season)...
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Bishop
Cecil Poynton
Against Saudi Sportswashing Machine 35 seconds in the match. He's off screen as the pass is being made. To give him the intial benefit of the doubt he he might be more concerned with Wissa. However Elanga keeply sprints in the gap after which VDV does't exactly sprint to get close to him, he leaves him in space before evenrually reliasing he should close the gap. By the time he does so its too late and Elanga already gets off his cross cum shot. Within 1 minute the match we could have been 1 down.
Do you think those guys think he makes no mistakes? Do you think their analysis of him is that hes perfect?