Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
But that's comparing important statistics for players in those positions. That idea has already been poo pood as being one dimensional
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James McCarthy
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But that's comparing important statistics for players in those positions. That idea has already been poo pood as being one dimensional
well i didnt read all 350 pages or however many there were............i read about 4 pages and the opinion was 50/50 on McCarthy, like i said some rate him and some dont.
"Would cry if we sold James." ?? oh dear, how can you be so easily influenced?
did you really expect to go on there and not find positive opinions about him. Look at our own Soldado thread, there are plenty who stick up for Bobby despite his poor goal return for us.
Mason divides opinion in the same way
I wasn't particularly in favor of signing him as i was under the impression he wasn't well thought of by their supporters - checking a couple of forums though I've been forced to reassess that view as the general consensus is that he's on par with their sides best and among the first names on the team sheet.
50/50 does not represent the 'split' in that particular thread, btw, not even close (going back several pages) - one poster seems to think he's over rated by the rest and a few have mused on Mason as a replacement (to much derision it must be said) the majority (and it is a vast majority) either don't want to sell him or think we wouldn't be able to afford his true value (which is obviously bravado but certainly point to a player they don't want to lose).
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parklane1
Vic Buckingham
And here are some more to show that McCarthy wins in four key areas, as I have said stats can be used to show whatever the poster wants to show.
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m...pass_completion/defensive_errors/blocks#total
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
What you've done is cherry pick - that's very different to what you've been trying to sayExactly, and why I say stats very rarely tell the whole/true story.
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
That the issue though. He is a defensive player and you have selected some stats there bear little resemblance to the role he would be playing
A holding midfielders primary role is defensive.... You have chosen one defensive stat!!! And you have chosen the stats that make McCarthy look like a good player which makes your argument a little bit skewed.
Nigeyman
Chris Armstrong
In all fairness I rate the guy but thinking about everything carefully I dont think he is worth 20m big ones if thats what the toffees are after.
I think Dubai said it earlier...maybe go for a mario suarez.....been there done it...price is right 10-15m....someone with experience to play alongside Bentaleb and bring him along....
Although just like Dubai I dont really know much about Suarez either.....So I am stumped but yeah for the price and the marginal upgrade on Mason its probably not worth it.
I think Dubai said it earlier...maybe go for a mario suarez.....been there done it...price is right 10-15m....someone with experience to play alongside Bentaleb and bring him along....
Although just like Dubai I dont really know much about Suarez either.....So I am stumped but yeah for the price and the marginal upgrade on Mason its probably not worth it.
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
Why is it Mason that's being replaced?
Mason was arguably the attacking one of the pivot and Bentelab was more of the sitter yet Mason is the one being replaced by a defensive player!!
I'm a big fan of Bentelab by the way but I'm curious
Mason was arguably the attacking one of the pivot and Bentelab was more of the sitter yet Mason is the one being replaced by a defensive player!!
I'm a big fan of Bentelab by the way but I'm curious
Nigeyman
Chris Armstrong
Nigeyman
Chris Armstrong
sorry, but hey at least the above statement cannot be blamed for causing more discussions regarding stats!
In truth I really rate Nabil, even though he showed many signs of naivety last season, simply put I would like us to build a team around the likes of Dier, Bentaleb, Kane, three youngsters who I believe can go on and do great things.
I would say Bentaleb is more integral to our future than Mason....though of course I am happy to be proved wrong and their is much to Mason's game that gives me optimism.
In truth I really rate Nabil, even though he showed many signs of naivety last season, simply put I would like us to build a team around the likes of Dier, Bentaleb, Kane, three youngsters who I believe can go on and do great things.
I would say Bentaleb is more integral to our future than Mason....though of course I am happy to be proved wrong and their is much to Mason's game that gives me optimism.
NaijaSpurs
Rafael Van Der Vaart
It is not even the signing of McCarthy that bugs me, it is just the fact that every article I read about us signing him mentions £20m? WTF At the very best I would offer a player swap with Lennon, failing that they can take a running jump, Everton I mean
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
Just like the one who put up the stats I quoted in the first place you mean?
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
(A) Blocks
(B) Defensive errors
(C) Clearances
Three stats maybe you miss read it
, and the second bit In bold is what I have always said about stats they very rarely tell the whole/true story.
Bedfordspurs
Martin Peters
the link when I click on it gets goals scored, pass completion and defensive errors along with blocks . Maybe the link doesn't work correct for me(A) Blocks
(B) Defensive errors
(C) Clearances
Three stats maybe you miss read it
parklane1
Vic Buckingham
Well that's still more then one, anyway we are going round in circles here and neither of us are getting anywhere.
Bullet
Luka Modric
This should be quoted at the bottom of every thread.
The same old discussions again and again about the merit of stats and whether Toby Aldereiweld plays RB for Belgium due to lack of other RB's or quality of CB's... sheesh.
Modric THFC
Jimmy McCormick
He has no interest in being a defensive midfielder. He was a brainless attacking midfielder in the Gerrard mode when he got hyped up as a youngster. Here in Ireland he was once seen as the answer to our ineffective midfield. No more. He's just turned in an average midfielder.
Here he is talking about his position a a few months ago:
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/27/james-mccarthy-everton-roberto-martinez
“We have been working in training on a different style of play. The manager is letting me push on,” he said. “Gareth Barry is sitting in there and I have to try to get back and help defensively but the manager wants to try to get more goals in my game. He is letting me off the leash a little.”