Interim manager thread 2.0

[harr1984]

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Still think he'd deliver for us like him or not....

 

[ShipOfTheseus]

I've heard his tactics are very strong down the right wing.

He needs to instil a bunker mentality.

 

[thfcsteff]

How have you come to that conclusion? As far as I can see the discussion was about Ange returning, not blaming him for our current situation.

Fair play, you're right, trigger happy here, apologies!

 

[thfcsteff]

My suggestion before Igor arrived.

At this (and that) point, you need someone that knows the league, other teams players, other teams tactics, and of course, our own players (faults and attributes).

No time for learning on the job.

Ange takes this another step by being in tune on how day to day stuff at THFC operates, probably knows 80% of the staff, knows the routines.

The players already have a positive history with him. No relationship building necessary

Instantly able to focus and get on with the main job, straight out the gate.

It's a lot different behind the scenes to when he was here mate, the structure is different and several people he will have known and interacted with are gone.
I agree though; he'd get these players playing and fighting, he'd get instant buy in from at least half the squad.
I just don't think he'd do it. If he hadn't taken that disastrous jag to Forest, maybe. But now? I cannot see it.

If they go to De Zerbi with a release clause should we go down, I'd be fudging appalled.

At this point, well this minute in the day, if there is a movement from Tudor, I'd be tempted to give it to Robbie Keane on a 2-3 year deal and let him build, quite possibly from the championship? I mean, who knows eh...

 

[ricky2tricky4city]

It's a lot different behind the scenes to when he was here mate, the structure is different and several people he will have known and interacted with are gone.
I agree though; he'd get these players playing and fighting, he'd get instant buy in from at least half the squad.
I just don't think he'd do it. If he hadn't taken that disastrous jag to Forest, maybe. But now? I cannot see it.

If they go to De Zerbi with a release clause should we go down, I'd be fudging appalled.

At this point, well this minute in the day, if there is a movement from Tudor, I'd be tempted to give it to Robbie Keane on a 2-3 year deal and let him build, quite possibly from the championship? I mean, who knows eh...

The options are just plainly not great mate.

I'd love Ange to say yes ...in his true Aussie 'give it a crack, mate' mentality.
Ain't happening though. Such a worry.

 

[SissokoWasGood (BoL)]

It's a lot different behind the scenes to when he was here mate, the structure is different and several people he will have known and interacted with are gone.
I agree though; he'd get these players playing and fighting, he'd get instant buy in from at least half the squad.
I just don't think he'd do it. If he hadn't taken that disastrous jag to Forest, maybe. But now? I cannot see it.

If they go to De Zerbi with a release clause should we go down, I'd be fudging appalled.

At this point, well this minute in the day, if there is a movement from Tudor, I'd be tempted to give it to Robbie Keane on a 2-3 year deal and let him build, quite possibly from the championship? I mean, who knows eh...

I can almost see the logic in De Zerbi with a release clause because maybe having the next ‘permanent’ guy be in charge puts these players in enough of a focussed mode to get over the line where it matters this season, rather than willing it to end. In theory what they do would matter.

I just don’t have any confidence in the decision making of the club unfortunately, so who’s to say it would work. And frankly, will enough of these players care that it’s De Zerbi as manager? What’s his plan for the club? What would they be buying into? What’s the big idea? If both De Zerbi and Poch can be realistic candidates it doesn’t feel like there’s a clear strategy, it feels like we’ll go with who we can get who is available and figure it out later. And that worries me.

 

[thfcsteff]

I can almost see the logic in De Zerbi with a release clause because maybe having the next ‘permanent’ guy be in charge puts these players in enough of a focussed mode to get over the line where it matters this season, rather than willing it to end. In theory what they do would matter.

I just don’t have any confidence in the decision making of the club unfortunately, so who’s to say it would work. And frankly, will enough of these players care that it’s De Zerbi as manager? What’s his plan for the club? What would they be buying into? What’s the big idea? If both De Zerbi and Poch can be realistic candidates it doesn’t feel like there’s a clear strategy, it feels like we’ll go with who we can get who is available and figure it out later. And that worries me.

Exactly.
Sadly, it is personal for me with De Zerbi; I simply think the bloke is a Cnut. Simply that. A giant Cnut.

My distant dream (and something that will never happen) would be for us to throw 10 million at Klopp for 7 games as I think he is the guy who could do it and do it comfortably. If he had not said that thing about 'never another British club' I'd think it was possible. Alas it most likely isn't...

 

[thfcsteff]

The options are just plainly not great mate.

I'd love Ange to say yes ...in his true Aussie 'give it a crack, mate' mentality.
Ain't happening though. Such a worry.

If there is one person on this forum I know will have a similar track to me here, it's you mate.
I am increasingly resigned to the total lack of control I have over this, and the reality that what will be will be and that I will have to find a silver lining in that cloud.
I often say (about things like grief and anger in life) that only when you sit with them and spend serious adult time as opposed to running can you really truly get to grips with them. The one thing which gives me some hope is that perhaps the players have hit that stark point of reality where there is now nowhere left to run away to and hide behind...
I am somewhat resigned to whatever, and truthfully, there is a side of me that says if we survive only to preserve the current structure then WTF will survival have been for???

 

[DaveT316]

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Still think he'd deliver for us like him or not....

I don’t like him. But regardless of that, the league - and football in general - has changed dramatically in the last, what was it since he managed us, 13 years?!

He alienated half the squad with his ‘schtick’, but got his famous PPG ratio by dint of more than half the league being muck and us actually having some decent players back then, round pegs, round holes etc.

If he managed as well as he talks then we would be comfortably be clear of the drop zone, I grant you.

I appreciate this is a personal view that is skewed by a bias to not being inherently predisposed to warm to loudmouth chancers.

 

[SissokoWasGood (BoL)]

I don’t like him. But regardless of that, the league - and football in general - has changed dramatically in the last, what was it since he managed us, 13 years?!

He alienated half the squad with his ‘schtick’, but got his famous PPG ratio by dint of more than half the league being muck and us actually having some decent players back then, round pegs, round holes etc.

If he managed as well as he talks then we would be comfortably be clear of the drop zone, I grant you.

I appreciate this is a personal view that is skewed by a bias to not being inherently predisposed to warm to loudmouth chancers.

It might be mad but in a weird way I can see Sherwood working. The sheer simplicity of how he thinks might be exactly what is needed.

And also enough famous people who operate in high pressure environments talk about how laughter is the thing that gets them to relax. I think we need someone who can crack a joke and take the edge off.

Sherwood might just be a little bit too basic, but I am almost there on him. Sceptical now that any new manager can come in, eg Hutter, employ more of a pressing system and suddenly get these players playing heavy metal for 7 games. And when it’s clear that it’s the player / team dynamic which is fudged, I think whatever we do has to be focused on getting them to raise their own levels. I think that’s a combo of simplicity and humour.

 

[DaveT316]

It might be mad but in a weird way I can see Sherwood working. The sheer simplicity of how he thinks might be exactly what is needed.

And also enough famous people who operate in high pressure environments talk about how laughter is the thing that gets them to relax. I think we need someone who can crack a joke and take the edge off.

Sherwood might just be a little bit too basic, but I am almost there on him. Sceptical now that any new manager can come in, eg Hutter, employ more of a pressing system and suddenly get these players playing heavy metal for 7 games. And when it’s clear that it’s the player / team dynamic which is fudged, I think whatever we do has to be focused on getting them to raise their own levels. I think that’s a combo of simplicity and humour.

I think I’m probably on the same page in terms of the line of thinking here, but I can just see the players taking one look at him and thinking ‘who the fudge are you?’ I could go in and crack a few jokes if that’s what they need. @thfcsteff put it well on pod this week in broadly the same terms re Redknapp and how the players probably need to be sounded out now in terms of what they need. The players just won’t know who he - Sherwood - is - I guess Porro might - and therefore won’t respect him…

While we do need someone to lift the players, we need to have a certainly degree of credibility with the players - be that how they engage with them emotionally which is obviously absolutely critical atm, as much as tactically / who they are and what they’ve achieved.

I just feel Sherwood and Redknapp are too far removed from the modern game to be able to give us what we need. Plus, I can’t stand either of them. Shameless, self-promoting preservationists!

 

[thfcsteff]

I think I’m probably on the same page in terms of the line of thinking here, but I can just see the players taking one look at him and thinking ‘who the fudge are you?’ I could go in and crack a few jokes if that’s what they need. @thfcsteff put it well on pod this week in broadly the same terms re Redknapp and how the players probably need to be sounded out now in terms of what they need. The players just won’t know who he - Sherwood - is - I guess Porro might - and therefore won’t respect him…

While we do need someone to lift the players, we need to have a certainly degree of credibility with the players - be that how they engage with them emotionally which is obviously absolutely critical atm, as much as tactically / who they are and what they’ve achieved.

I just feel Sherwood and Redknapp are too far removed from the modern game to be able to give us what we need. Plus, I can’t stand either of them. Shameless, self-promoting preservationists!

There is a whisper of Hughton being approached???