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Grays_1890 said:
Nope in the same way not all Israelis are murderous clams because of the 2% that are actively conscripted who are fighting a dirty war.

I can't be clearer, Both the Israeli people and Palestinians are the innocent parties in this whilst both their leaderships have blood on their hands for how this has been played out.

You have been clear that you think Palestinians are a backward society who deserve what they get, so there is literally no point having a conversation about empathy being shown to both sides of the conflict
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Most Israelis have served in the military at some point. So it is a bit like saying they are.

I think Palestinians could do more to help themselves. There's no need for Hamas to exist. They hide amongst civilians so that they can't get what they deserve. If civilians were to tell the IDF where Hamas are hiding then the problem would be solved fairly quickly.
 
scaramanga said:
Most Israelis have served in the military at some point. So it is a bit like saying they are.

I think Palestinians could do more to help themselves. There's no need for Hamas to exist. They hide amongst civilians so that they can't get what they deserve. If civilians were to tell the IDF where Hamas are hiding then the problem would be solved fairly quickly.
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Some of them might have been, but as I say, I am not claiming all are.

There is clearly a large portion of the population on each side who are massively innocent parties in all of this conflict.
 
Grays_1890 said:
Some of them might have been, but as I say, I am not claiming all are.

There is clearly a large portion of the population on each side who are massively innocent parties in all of this conflict.
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But only one side that has an elected, democratic government. Only one side that protects all people equally under their government. Only one side that wouldn't immediately murder all of the others if they put down arms.
 
scaramanga said:
But only one side that has an elected, democratic government. Only one side that protects all people equally under their government. Only one side that wouldn't immediately murder all of the others if they put down arms.
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So we can't have empathy for both sides because of the way they are governed? Jeeeez mate
 
scaramanga said:
Of course we can, but there's one important contrast that we should always keep in mind:

If Hamas put down their arms there would be no more war. If Israel put down their arms there would be no more Israel.
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I am talking on a human every day level

Although I agree with the principal of your comments, there are plenty of things at that level which could make a difference on both sides. One would be Netanyahu not being in the picture anymore. When you you have someone that dangerous making up lies with intention of stoking up even more division, then you have problems. So he needs to take one between the eyes and the whole scenario would be much better also.
 
Grays_1890 said:
I am talking on a human every day level

Although I agree with the principal of your comments, there are plenty of things at that level which could make a difference on both sides. One would be Netanyahu not being in the picture anymore. When you you have someone that dangerous making up lies with intention of stoking up even more division, then you have problems. So he needs to take one between the eyes and the whole scenario would be much better also.
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I'd like to see how Netanyahu acts when not surrounded by people whose deepest belief systems tell them that Israel has to right to exist whatsoever.

I suspect we could all be pushed to surprising lengths under such existential threats.
 
scaramanga said:
I'd like to see how Netanyahu acts when not surrounded by people whose deepest belief systems tell them that Israel has to right to exist whatsoever.

I suspect we could all be pushed to surprising lengths under such existential threats.
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I wouldn't absolve Hitlers involvement in the holocaust and attribute it current enemies, not unless I wanted to heighten the tensions further.
 
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scaramanga said:
But only one side that has an elected, democratic government. Only one side that protects all people equally under their government. Only one side that wouldn't immediately murder all of the others if they put down arms.
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Define democratic ?
They were losing power …
They then let hamas do what they did to maintain their own rule
That’s the clear MO of people like Netanyahu
 
Bedfordspurs said:
Define democratic ?
They were losing power …
They then let hamas do what they did to maintain their own rule
That’s the clear MO of people like Netanyahu
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"a system of government in which power is held by elected representatives who are freely voted for by the people, or held directly by the people themselves"
 
scaramanga said:
I'm not editing or censoring anything. But if the wrong person reads that and I can't delete my logs fast enough, he could be in trouble.
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Why would I be in trouble? I am not attributing that view to what I think of Israel, I am highlighting it as a view Netty had about Palestine.

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I am clearly answering your point by saying what I would not do, to your point about how far you can be pushed, as an example of what HE did do in claiming the holocaust came from a meeting with a Palestinian cleric. Hence my point about saying it to heighten tensions further.

I can stand by what I have said because I am not saying what you are claiming I have said.
 
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