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FIFA: Destroying Football Since 1904

Glenda's Legs said:
What the players were supporting was neither a charity nor a good cause.
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Ignored the first sentence? Before you say human rights aren't political, i'm talking about footballers being pressured into telling not just a country their views are wrong. Not just a religion. All the abrahamic religions. 3.8bn people.

They represent our country and values. They shouldn't have to wear rainbow bands. The 3 lions does the job.

They are not politicians or philosophers or theologians. They are there to play football.
 
So, Infantini wants a 32 team club world cup. And he plans to introduce more international club friendlies in a bi-annual tournament. Doubt that most top sides from Europe would want that. What if the Premier League champions just said 'fcuk that action, we're not playing in the club world cup.'

What sort of repercussions could Fifa impose on them?
 
greatwhitenorf said:
So, Infantini wants a 32 team club world cup. And he plans to introduce more international club friendlies in a bi-annual tournament. Doubt that most top sides from Europe would want that. What if the Premier League champions just said 'fcuk that action, we're not playing in the club world cup.'

What sort of repercussions could Fifa impose on them?
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After the esl ruling they might be able to ban the clubs from future competions. Although if the esl starts that wouldn't mean anything.
 
Lilbaz said:
After the esl ruling they might be able to ban the clubs from future competions. Although if the esl starts that wouldn't mean anything.
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Fifa might ban a club from future competitions? Like what - UEFA Champions League? Europa League? Wouldn't that be beyond their jurisdiction?

And, OK, let's say Fifa can swing their cudgel that low, what would they do if an English champion, unhappy about being forced to play an event they didn't want to, just showed up and tanked? Just ran out their scrubs and made a farsenal of the event by not trying fully. What if a bunch of clubs felt the same way and acted in similar fashion? What if these protesting clubs managed to not have groups of supporters buy tickets? What if the Premier League arranged for broadcast rights holders to not show or promote or discuss in any way this event?

Yes, I'm rabbit-holing here but surely clubs and continental organizations have to have some measure of self-determination beyond Fifa's pornographic lust for money and power.
 
greatwhitenorf said:
Fifa might ban a club from future competitions? Like what - UEFA Champions League? Europa League? Wouldn't that be beyond their jurisdiction?

And, OK, let's say Fifa can swing their cudgel that low, what would they do if an English champion, unhappy about being forced to play an event they didn't want to, just showed up and tanked? Just ran out their scrubs and made a farsenal of the event by not trying fully. What if a bunch of clubs felt the same way and acted in similar fashion? What if these protesting clubs managed to not have groups of supporters buy tickets? What if the Premier League arranged for broadcast rights holders to not show or promote or discuss in any way this event?

Yes, I'm rabbit-holing here but surely clubs and continental organizations have to have some measure of self-determination beyond Fifa's pornographic lust for money and power.
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Just their competitions as far as i'm aware. Maybe friendlies abroad. The details from the court ruling are a bit sparse.
 
greatwhitenorf said:
So, Infantini wants a 32 team club world cup. And he plans to introduce more international club friendlies in a bi-annual tournament. Doubt that most top sides from Europe would want that. What if the Premier League champions just said 'fcuk that action, we're not playing in the club world cup.'

What sort of repercussions could Fifa impose on them?
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I think k the clubs will go for it if the commercial money is there, but if they decided not to I would imagine they would offer it to the next best placed side. Been a few cases over the years when clubs have pulled out of competitions for varying reasons and that's generally what happens.

If its was to be a money maker that clubs are ruling themselves out of the organisations tend to let clubs shoot themselves in the foot than punish
 
Lilbaz said:
Ignored the first sentence? Before you say human rights aren't political, i'm talking about footballers being pressured into telling not just a country their views are wrong. Not just a religion. All the abrahamic religions. 3.8bn people.

They represent our country and values. They shouldn't have to wear rainbow bands. The 3 lions does the job.

They are not politicians or philosophers or theologians. They are there to play football.
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No. I didn’t ignore anything. Just pointing out that what they wanted to support was not a charity and it was certainly more than a mere good cause.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
No. I didn’t ignore anything. Just pointing out that what they wanted to support was not a charity and it was certainly more than a mere good cause.
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It's not just this though. You have the likes of shelter asking the prem to wear away kits at home to represent homelessness. Blm, nurses in bulgaria, iran... a thousand things. Football should not be used as such. Just stick to the game.

Because guess what, there are more countries that think homosexuality is a sin than don't. Do you want them to share their views in front of the world?
 
Grays_1890 said:
Exactly this, its laughable that people are trying to conflate shelter with decent human rights Hahaha. Nearly spat out my Tetleys

I would expect most to in their normal day to day lives away from the game to want better for everyone because that's what all decent humans would do.

People get so wrapped up in the idea thay football woukd be in danger if a player dared support human decency where as I think it might be a better sport as we may have held Terry and Suarez to better standards, for example. The game isn't going to die because someone stands up for gay rights, in fact gay footballers might feel its a safer space to come out, we should all want that TBH.

The issue is, some just think of the game and would justify a 5aside in Tommy Robinsons back garden as long as Spurs were invited
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I tell you what. Next friday go to a mosque wearing a rainbow flag, walk up to the imam and tell him his religion is wrong. That is what you are basically asking footballers to do. Film it and let us see how it goes.
 
Grays_1890 said:
No I'm saying that when asked anyone should be against any kind of oppression against people because of their gender, colour of their skin or serial preference.

Your saying that having that expectation is the same as supporting shelter. Absolutely laughable

And for the record which kind of shows your hand here, I think they are wrong as a religion the same as are the Christians that still take literally translations and act on them and oppress homosexuality are and unlike you I wouldn't wanna see a return to the UK where its illegal to be a homosexual just because the Bible said it and nor would I respect it
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No i'm not saying that at all. Footballers can and should be supportive of gay rights. I'm saying they shouldn't be demonstrating it on the football pitch or expected to. What about fgm? Climate change? The uyghurs? The wars in ethiopia, ukraine... yemen? Modern day slavery? Womens rights in iran? Hundreds of things. We can't have them all represented on the football pitch. If you let one you have to let them all. Sport shouldn't be politicised. Off the field the players can represent any cause they want and i will most likely support them.
 
Grays_1890 said:
No I'm saying that when asked anyone should be against any kind of oppression against people because of their gender, colour of their skin or serial preference.

Your saying that having that expectation is the same as supporting shelter. Absolutely laughable

And for the record which kind of shows your hand here, I think they are wrong as a religion the same as Christians who still take literally translations and act on them and oppress homosexuality are and unlike you I wouldn't wanna see a return to the UK where its illegal to be a homosexual just because the Bible said it and nor would I respect it
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As for your last paragraph. I think they are wrong as a religion, but you won't change their views by shouting at them and acting self righteous and morally superior.
For the record i am an atheist and believe everyone deserves love and happiness wherever they find it (as long as it's consensual).
 
Grays_1890 said:
Life is political though, being gay doesn't stop at the changing room door and again you are conflating issues to make it sound like players can't have a view on what is a basic right. Many come out and have an opinion on the treatment on race and so they should.... .are you saying those players are wrong for a basic human support of people of black skin because the political point "shouldn't be in football"

And let me be clear, I would hope players as humans, when asked how they feel about certain issues would have the gall to say what's right, that's not me asking them to wear a banner that's just a general expectation I would have of anyone TBH
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I litterally said off the field they can be supportive of causes and that they should be supportive of gay rights. If you are going to ignore what i'm saying, there's no point continuing.
 
Lilbaz said:
No i'm not saying that at all. Footballers can and should be supportive of gay rights. I'm saying they shouldn't be demonstrating it on the football pitch or expected to. What about fgm? Climate change? The uyghurs? The wars in ethiopia, ukraine... yemen? Modern day slavery? Womens rights in iran? Hundreds of things. We can't have them all represented on the football pitch. If you let one you have to let them all. Sport shouldn't be politicised. Off the field the players can represent any cause they want and i will most likely support them.
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Sport is political. Football is the biggest sport, World Cup the biggest tournament. You think Qatar bribed their way to hosting the World Cup just for the fun and joy of the game. It is inherently political.

When something is political pretending that it's not is also a political stance. There is no way to make football at this level non political.

The players were silenced, by FIFA, by Qatar. That's political.

Rainbow laces, rainbow armbands. We've had this several times. That's a bridge too far for you? Or just when FIFA doesn't want it?

Lilbaz said:
As for your last paragraph. I think they are wrong as a religion, but you won't change their views by shouting at them and acting self righteous and morally superior.
For the record i am an atheist and believe everyone deserves love and happiness wherever they find it (as long as it's consensual).
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Wearing a rainbow/one love armband is "shouting at them and acting self righteous and morally superior"?
 

Fifa’s Infantino will ask every country to name stadium in honour of Pelé


Fifa will ask every country in the world to name a stadium in honour of Pelé, its president, Gianni Infantino, said on Monday.

Pelé, the Brazil great who won the World Cup three times and scored more than 1,000 goals, died last Thursday aged 82.


Infantino, who is in Brazil for Pelé’s funeral, told local reporters: “We’re going to ask every country in the world to name one of their football stadiums with the name of Pelé.”

In April 2021 Rio de Janeiro abandoned plans to name the famous Maracanã stadium after Pelé after it was vetoed by the state governor.
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Yet another daft idea, although if West Ham stay in the relegation scrap their owners might be tempted. The only club to win four world cups?
 
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