Everton have generally been overachieving in the league for a decade now. I think that's a far better indicator of what to expect of a manager than the odd cup run. Given United's resources he will be expected to achieve more, but he should at least be given a season to show it. IMO Moyes is a superior manager to both of them and far more proven. Laudrup has a few failures on his CV and Swansea have completely switched off since the league cup final. Not saying I'd want Moyes, I think he'd be a poor fit with us, but he shouldn't be dismissed simply because he hasn't won any trophies.
Why not? the guy is 50, been managing at a "best of the rest" PL club with a lot of stability (which none of his immediate competitors had).
As others have pointed out, Martinez, Laudrup, Redknapp have all won trophies in recent past, Moyes = 0. It's the devil in the details for me, typically they are brick in cups, awful against top 4, awful against their main rivals, awful when it matters. Everton plays well when the chance of CL goes away and all they are playing for is 5th-8th.
I'm totally confused by the appointment, guy for most people wouldn't be good enough for us, yet everyone thinks he will do a good job at United?
Why not? the guy is 50, been managing at a "best of the rest" PL club with a lot of stability (which none of his immediate competitors had).
As others have pointed out, Martinez, Laudrup, Redknapp have all won trophies in recent past, Moyes = 0. It's the devil in the details for me, typically they are brick in cups, awful against top 4, awful against their main rivals, awful when it matters. Everton plays well when the chance of CL goes away and all they are playing for is 5th-8th.
I'm totally confused by the appointment, guy for most people wouldn't be good enough for us, yet everyone thinks he will do a good job at United?
Why not? the guy is 50, been managing at a "best of the rest" PL club with a lot of stability (which none of his immediate competitors had).
As others have pointed out, Martinez, Laudrup, Redknapp have all won trophies in recent past, Moyes = 0. It's the devil in the details for me, typically they are brick in cups, awful against top 4, awful against their main rivals, awful when it matters. Everton plays well when the chance of CL goes away and all they are playing for is 5th-8th.
I'm totally confused by the appointment, guy for most people wouldn't be good enough for us, yet everyone thinks he will do a good job at United?
Although I agree with the underlying sentiment that Moyes so far doesn't seem great under pressure. Or at least he hasn't shown that ability so far. The comparison with managers that have won something seems a bit off. Yes, they are "the best of the rest", let's say there are on average 5 better teams than them in the PL, even being the best of the rest, the rest is still 14 other teams, with over the years probably close to or over a hundred other managers competing for a trophy. Then picking out the managers that did win something to use as your comparison seems a bit unfair.
It doesn't seem that unfair as Moyes has had eleven years there. He had the time to build his squad up to play the way he wants them to play.
That's twenty two opportunities to win a cup. He has gotten them to a single, solitary cup final. (iirc, 09 Fa Cup?)
For the, as you suggest, 6th best team in the league that's diabolical. They've been pretty consistent league wise.
How many times do you think the 6th best team in the league should win one of the cups on average in an 11 year period?
Much as I'd like to see Utd fail the alternative is even less appealing.
They'll probably all have a new striker too.