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F.A statement on the word "yid"

Has the time come for us stop chanting the Y-word?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 9.0%

  • No

    Votes: 101 91.0%
  • Total voters
    111
During the league game against the goons, there were a few nobs in the pub hissing and racially abusing Son. To them it was banter. Spurs fans have more class. Was behind me, but I think some of the clowns hissing were black. A classy Spurs fan, stylish black geezer, went over and had a word. Couldn't see clearly. I wasn't sure exactly what was going on, but afterwards was angered/sad/disgusted.

Yesterday's win was a form of retribution and closure on it for me. The banana skin and bottle were probably a good thing. A president and hopefully line in the sand, and both clubs fans culpable. Let's hope north London moves on with more dignity. As for the chelsea scum, they are beyond help!
 
SpurMeUp said:
During the league game against the goons, there were a few nobs in the pub hissing and racially abusing Son. To them it was banter. Spurs fans have more class. Was behind me, but I think some of the clowns hissing were black. A classy Spurs fan, stylish black geezer, went over and had a word. Couldn't see clearly. I wasn't sure exactly what was going on, but afterwards was angered/sad/disgusted.

Yesterday's win was a form of retribution and closure on it for me. The banana skin and bottle were probably a good thing. A president and hopefully line in the sand, and both clubs fans culpable. Let's hope north London moves on with more dignity. As for the chelsea scum, they are beyond help!
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We’re not saints or angels
But as fans we have to have zero tolerance on things such as racial or religious abuse
Banter is great

I take the tinkle and get it back but I’m a white 42 year old man. I’ve never been abused for being who I am so can’t know wagtail it feels like. But I do know right from wrong, I teach my kids it all the time

I sincerely hope they grow up as a generation who don’t have any racism... her best friends at nursery was like the United Nations and they absolutely got on brilliantly
 
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That banner does sum it up though. I'm not going to pretend our fans are angels, but when Chelsea and the press describe the entire Shed End hissing etc as the work of a minority it becomes a joke.
 
I'm glad Chelsea get the recognition they so richly deserve for their work against anti-semitism over the years. Well done to the World Jewish Congress for that.
 
I was labelled a yid by my mates long before I had a clue what it meant, I never pursued the label for myself. With that said, if the World Jewish Congress want the word removed in its entirety then we should listen?

I'm torn as I still don't think it is hate speech when used in the manner that our fans use it, however if this is the line that the group who own the word wish to follow, then we should respect that. I'm not one for pushing the boundaries of freedom of speech like some Scotsman with his pug, though I do disagree that certain things shouldn't be said because it hurts someones feeling somewhere.
 
Interesting this has come up again.

It’s difficult to come to a clear conclusion.

We obviously only use the word positively and I first heard the word on the terraces and associated it with “Tottenham Supporter” more so than Jewish. I just noticed my nickname here includes the word and I didn’t think twice about doing that — and certainly don’t mean any offence.

However, in the same way we might say “bloody gooners”, if a fan of another club says “bloody yids” then I appreciate that could be seen an encouraging anti-semitism.

However...there were similar discussions for years about use of the n-word in black communities, music etc and the overwhelming response was that the problem was with those using it in a hateful way.

So shouldn’t the same apply to us?

Also should I change my nickname?

(I realise scara probably doesn’t mind, but wouldn’t want to offend anyone visiting the forum)
 
Cochise said:
I was labelled a yid by my mates long before I had a clue what it meant, I never pursued the label for myself. With that said, if the World Jewish Congress want the word removed in its entirety then we should listen?

I'm torn as I still don't think it is hate speech when used in the manner that our fans use it, however if this is the line that the group who own the word wish to follow, then we should respect that. I'm not one for pushing the boundaries of freedom of speech like some Scotsman with his pug, though I do disagree that certain things shouldn't be said because it hurts someones feeling somewhere.
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I’ve been battered for this before, and I’m sure I will be again. But I just wish we didn’t use it.
<dons tin hat>
 
elyid said:
Interesting this has come up again.

It’s difficult to come to a clear conclusion.

We obviously only use the word positively and I first heard the word on the terraces and associated it with “Tottenham Supporter” more so than Jewish. I just noticed my nickname here includes the word and I didn’t think twice about doing that — and certainly don’t mean any offence.

However, in the same way we might say “bloody gooners”, if a fan of another club says “bloody yids” then I appreciate that could be seen an encouraging anti-semitism.

However...there were similar discussions for years about use of the n-word in black communities, music etc and the overwhelming response was that the problem was with those using it in a hateful way.

So shouldn’t the same apply to us?

Also should I change my nickname?

(I realise scara probably doesn’t mind, but wouldn’t want to offend anyone visiting the forum)
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Great post.

I don’t want to offend anyone either and I remember being called a yid as a Spurs fan and it being used with real contempt...’Spurs fans are all Yids’ before I started coming to games.

I saw something recently about an Irish guy with white parents but had black features and therefore identified as black because of the way he looked and was treated, eventually receiving a grant reserved for black actors (will need to fact check the actual grant). So could he use the N word? If someone calls me a Yid in the derogatory way, signs songs about the holocaust to me and uses insulting Jewish stereotypes, based on the football team I support or the colour of my shirt does that not give me any right to continue reclaim the word being used as an insult in solidarity with the people they are trying to insult?

If the word is truly offensive in any context, then I’d be happy to replace it with something else that reflects my positive intentions when using it - even though I’m not Jewish by being a Spurs fan I find the anti Semitic songs and chants particularly from Chelsea and West Ham (i’d Rather be a pxxx than a jxx) abhorrent. Fortunately I rarelt hear the songs about Hillsbrough and Munich but these really are a step too far.
Unfortunately unless there is zero tolerance on the away fans use of anti Semitic songs within the ground, there will be an even larger element who will ‘sing what we want’ in response. I guess I don’t sing the Sol Campbell songs so it’s bit like I don’t have the self control to do it when I really don’t feel comfortable with the content.

On a lighter note,if you want to irk Scara may I suggest ScouseSocialistSissoko as your new user name.
 
MKSpur said:
Great post.

I don’t want to offend anyone either and I remember being called a yid as a Spurs fan and it being used with real contempt...’Spurs fans are all Yids’ before I started coming to games.

I saw something recently about an Irish guy with white parents but had black features and therefore identified as black because of the way he looked and was treated, eventually receiving a grant reserved for black actors (will need to fact check the actual grant). So could he use the N word? If someone calls me a Yid in the derogatory way, signs songs about the holocaust to me and uses insulting Jewish stereotypes, based on the football team I support or the colour of my shirt does that not give me any right to continue reclaim the word being used as an insult in solidarity with the people they are trying to insult?

If the word is truly offensive in any context, then I’d be happy to replace it with something else that reflects my positive intentions when using it - even though I’m not Jewish by being a Spurs fan I find the anti Semitic songs and chants particularly from Chelsea and West Ham (i’d Rather be a pxxx than a jxx) abhorrent. Fortunately I rarelt hear the songs about Hillsbrough and Munich but these really are a step too far.
Unfortunately unless there is zero tolerance on the away fans use of anti Semitic songs within the ground, there will be an even larger element who will ‘sing what we want’ in response. I guess I don’t sing the Sol Campbell songs so it’s bit like I don’t have the self control to do it when I really don’t feel comfortable with the content.

On a lighter note,if you want to irk Scara may I suggest ScouseSocialistSissoko as your new user name.
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Yeah I find the Sol Campbell songs a bit unnecessary now. I immensely dislike the guy and probably always will but he left us nearly 20 years ago, isn’t it time we moved on and sung songs about something else?

As for the Y word, as long as the Jewish contingent within our fan base don’t mind us singing it then I don’t see why we should stop using it. Surely more needs to be done to stop Arse, Chelsea and WHU fans saying it?
 
Jurgen the German said:
Yeah I find the Sol Campbell songs a bit unnecessary now. I immensely dislike the guy and probably always will but he left us nearly 20 years ago, isn’t it time we moved on and sung songs about something else?

As for the Y word, as long as the Jewish contingent within our fan base don’t mind us singing it then I don’t see why we should stop using it. Surely more needs to be done to stop Arse, Chelsea and WHU fans saying it?
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This. How can one be offended if the word is used in a positive, non-derogatory way?

My understanding is that the 'yid' term is a unifying label that we've embraced to make our own stand against racial division. Context is everything and is often ignored in this debate.

Sort out the Nazi salutes and gas chamber hissing before anything else, surely.
 
MKSpur said:
Great post.

I don’t want to offend anyone either and I remember being called a yid as a Spurs fan and it being used with real contempt...’Spurs fans are all Yids’ before I started coming to games.

I saw something recently about an Irish guy with white parents but had black features and therefore identified as black because of the way he looked and was treated, eventually receiving a grant reserved for black actors (will need to fact check the actual grant). So could he use the N word? If someone calls me a Yid in the derogatory way, signs songs about the holocaust to me and uses insulting Jewish stereotypes, based on the football team I support or the colour of my shirt does that not give me any right to continue reclaim the word being used as an insult in solidarity with the people they are trying to insult?

If the word is truly offensive in any context, then I’d be happy to replace it with something else that reflects my positive intentions when using it - even though I’m not Jewish by being a Spurs fan I find the anti Semitic songs and chants particularly from Chelsea and West Ham (i’d Rather be a pxxx than a jxx) abhorrent. Fortunately I rarelt hear the songs about Hillsbrough and Munich but these really are a step too far.
Unfortunately unless there is zero tolerance on the away fans use of anti Semitic songs within the ground, there will be an even larger element who will ‘sing what we want’ in response. I guess I don’t sing the Sol Campbell songs so it’s bit like I don’t have the self control to do it when I really don’t feel comfortable with the content.

On a lighter note,if you want to irk Scara may I suggest ScouseSocialistSissoko as your new user name.
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On the flip side of that, is the current use of the word by opposing fans, when our % of Jewish fans is likely no greater than Arsenal's, at least partly linked to the fact that opposing fans constantly hear us referring to ourselves as 'yids' in some way or another? If you're constantly hearing us sing yid army, we are the yids of WHL etc etc, you're surely going to think it is fair game to refer to us as yids.

This is of course excluding the macaronic fans who sign the term with clear anti semitic intent.

I feel us continuing to sing it is increasingly becoming like that song man Utd fans sing about Lukaku's dingdong or when Ji Sung Park was there and the dogs I believe. Both players asked them to stop, the fans carried on singing, even saying why would Lukaku be upset when we are being 'complimentary' about his dingdong?

Having said that, while I think the Jewish Congress should be listened to and consulted with, I think it is quite unfair of them to lump in how we use the word (and have historically used it) and how Chelsea and WH fans for instance often use it, when it can be accompanied with songs about gas chambers, Hitler and circumcision. Want us to stop using it, fair enough and there is certainly a valid point there. But please don't lump it all in together.

Also, I personally am not a big fan of black people calling themselves or their friends niggers either, though it is still incredibly different to a white person calling me a nigger for example.
 
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