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Finney Is Back said:
I don’t yet have enough of a sample size to make my mind up either way. At present I don’t trust them any less than Levy but I think I’d need at least 3 or 4 years to properly judge.
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Yep, it's the way I'm thinking. Levy's prime time was up to 2019. He can be forgiven the COVID years but his running of the club through to his departure was a massive problem. It's why the Tavistock group and the Lewis family felt they had to take action. That should have included Cullen, Caplehorn, Collecott etc. It was an entire leadership group that were failing.

As you say though, you can't judge a new leadership group over this short term. They need time.
 
Muttley said:
Yep, it's the way I'm thinking. Levy's prime time was up to 2019. He can be forgiven the COVID years but his running of the club through to his departure was a massive problem. It's why the Tavistock group and the Lewis family felt they had to take action. That should have included Cullen, Caplehorn, Collecott etc. It was an entire leadership group that were failing.

As you say though, you can't judge a new leadership group over this short term. They need time.
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I think COVID scared the life out of Levy. Whilst we were extremely lucky it didn't come a year or two earlier, as that would have been totally disastrous for us, and whilst we will never know, without COVID, how much more the spending shackles would have been loosened (if at all) with the new stadium I think the realisation that everything could be wiped out so easily meant that Levy's naturally cautious mode was even further entrenched. That and putting his faith in the now clearly misguided belief that financial fair play rules would actually be either adhered to, or breaches thereof dealt with seriously, certainly handicapped what ought to have been a new dawn for us.

Short of getting us relegated, I agree it's too early to pass judgement on Vinai and the other leadership changes but they haven't done much (that is visible to us) thus far to inspire great confidence.
 
Glenda's Legs said:
I think COVID scared the life out of Levy. Whilst we were extremely lucky it didn't come a year or two earlier, as that would have been totally disastrous for us, and whilst we will never know, without COVID, how much more the spending shackles would have been loosened (if at all) with the new stadium I think the realisation that everything could be wiped out so easily meant that Levy's naturally cautious mode was even further entrenched. That and putting his faith in the now clearly misguided belief that financial fair play rules would actually be either adhered to, or breaches thereof dealt with seriously, certainly handicapped what ought to have been a new dawn for us.

Short of getting us relegated, I agree it's too early to pass judgement on Vinai and the other leadership changes but they haven't done much (that is visible to us) thus far to inspire great confidence.
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Glenda's Legs said:
I think COVID scared the life out of Levy. Whilst we were extremely lucky it didn't come a year or two earlier, as that would have been totally disastrous for us, and whilst we will never know, without COVID, how much more the spending shackles would have been loosened (if at all) with the new stadium I think the realisation that everything could be wiped out so easily meant that Levy's naturally cautious mode was even further entrenched. That and putting his faith in the now clearly misguided belief that financial fair play rules would actually be either adhered to, or breaches thereof dealt with seriously, certainly handicapped what ought to have been a new dawn for us.

Short of getting us relegated, I agree it's too early to pass judgement on Vinai and the other leadership changes but they haven't done much (that is visible to us) thus far to inspire great confidence.
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Brexit, Covid, Ukraine put spanners in the works for us, all for varying reasons. Brexit meant construction costs went through the roof, Covid was the obvious ones, Ukraine and now with Iran we saw an increase in operating costs (produce, product, energy etc). Its been one of the worse times in history to open a new enterprise
 
Here's a controversial one. If RDZ keeps us up, do Vinai and Lange get credit for the appointment?

The question isn't "does it absolve them of all other sins?" but should they get some kudos for recruiting him? For me, I'd give them a little bit of credit. I wasn't 100% sold on him and am now whatever happens. I think he's been a breath of fresh air. And, let's be fair, it wasn't an easy appointment to make in some respects but they stuck to their guns. However, we were also left in a position where he could bend us over and f**k us dry because we were (and are) desperate. So, a bit of credit but that is far, far outweighed by the other catastrophic decisions they've taken even since Levy went.

Will they keep their jobs? I get the point @Finney Is Back made on giving Vinai time but I think his decision making thus far has been really poor. He seems to be very well thought of for his work at Woolwich but I don't see it. Lange, for me, has to go and go quick.

And regardless of what happens, I do think there needs to be a very strong and very loud demonstration at some point after the Everton game against the board and owners. What has happened/is happening this season is absolutely unacceptable even if we survive by the skin of our teeth.
 
DeanoAustin said:
Here's a controversial one. If RDZ keeps us up, do Vinai and Lange get credit for the appointment?

The question isn't "does it absolve them of all other sins?" but should they get some kudos for recruiting him? For me, I'd give them a little bit of credit. I wasn't 100% sold on him and am now whatever happens. I think he's been a breath of fresh air. And, let's be fair, it wasn't an easy appointment to make in some respects but they stuck to their guns. However, we were also left in a position where he could bend us over and f**k us dry because we were (and are) desperate. So, a bit of credit but that is far, far outweighed by the other catastrophic decisions they've taken even since Levy went.

Will they keep their jobs? I get the point @Finney Is Back made on giving Vinai time but I think his decision making thus far has been really poor. He seems to be very well thought of for his work at Woolwich but I don't see it. Lange, for me, has to go and go quick.

And regardless of what happens, I do think there needs to be a very strong and very loud demonstration at some point after the Everton game against the board and owners. What has happened/is happening this season is absolutely unacceptable even if we survive by the skin of our teeth.
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I don't think its controversial, I think they should get praise for it. I think its balanced to.

I don't think it should be enough to keep Lange in a job, for me, if they whole things is about following stats then you can have the team (which ours is now huge) provide you with a list of candidates, what we need in Lange role is a born charismatic football person who can negotiate and also take decision on players with the eye test too. For me, and I grant I don't know the bloke, but he doesn't fill me with boardroom confidence of negotiating with some of the world footballing sharks. He lacks the personality.

Vinai, I think looks passive and uninspiring but you have to give him time, despite my reservations, I also think he will be hamstrung on action by the Lewis family given its their baby and always has been.
 
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MartyFunkhouser said:
I don't think its controversial, I think they should get praise for it. I think its balanced to.

I don't think it should be enough to keep Lange in a job, for me, if they whole things is about following stats then you can have the team (which ours is now huge) provide you with a list of candidates, what we need in Lange role is a born charismatic football person who can negotiate and also take decision on players with the eye test too. For me, and I grant I don't know the bloke, but he doesn't fill me with boardroom confidence of negotiating with some of the world footballing sharks. He lacks the personality.

Vinai, I think looks passive and uninspiring but you have to give him time, despite my reservations, I also think he will be hamstrung on action by the Lewis family given its their baby and always has been.
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There's a well-thought of guy at Fiorentina.
 
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It's a bit mad that when you compare us to The Dippers. We've spent 250m more on transfers than them in that period net.

If you translate that from fees into wages, that'd give us an extra 1m a week to play with which could be the difference between signing risky punts and top players. The difference between offering 150k a week and 250k a week for 10 players over 5 years.

I guess the risk is that you'd have your current squad knocking on the door for more money.
 
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